Thread: Casual Nazism

Originally Posted by stacker1

WAH



Although I believe the hatred of Jews came about (all over europe) because of their moneylending rather than their religion. Its not like modern banks are popular.

You have that arrse about face. They were hated on religious grounds because they killed and rejected Jesus (if you believe that rubbish) and were therefore prevented by law from most means of making a living, apart from money lending

Originally Posted by stacker1

I wouldn't call the Palestinians supermen, but I believe Israel oppresses them by having a well trained army and the backing of the US or did you mean something else?

Is "irony" like "silvery" and "goldy" in your world?

I'll have you know we were here first, JC fucked off and did his own thing. We didn't reject him.

Jews are the target most of the time because they are convenient, most Jews live in the Diaspora and are as such "to hand" when you need an enemy/scapegoat.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

I have been posting on the EDL thread today and find myself increasingly gobsmacked by the casual Nazism of one poster in particular. He'll claim to have been an English patriot but every post he makes smacks not of the golden whimsical age of British democracy with a hey nonny no; rather it smacks of post-Weimar Germany and lets all go down the bierkeller for a ruck with some Reds and Jews.

To which your response should be "I was in the armed forces. I used to shoot people like you." (Copyright (C) 1945 Royal British Legion). Also an appropriate response on opening your front door to discover a BNP canvasser dressed like an extra from Dad's Army.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

His rhetoric seems to cry out for eagles and standards and banners, black shirts and Sam Brownes and shaven headed ignoramuses

You have to admit though, had WWII been a fashion show, the Nazis would have won hands down. It did take them a while to get it right. All those strapping young men in loincloths, leather shorts and winged helmets in the early 1930s had more than a whif of KY Jelly about them.

Went too far in the end though. Contrary to popular belief, the Red Army never fought their way into Berlin in 1945. With Hitler sitting in his bunker designing new kit for his troops as fast as the old kit could be handed in, he sealed his own fate. The defenders of Berlin and retreating troops destroyed themselves as they could not recognise each other's uniforms.

Originally Posted by Bouillabaisse

You have that arrse about face. They were hated on religious grounds because they killed and rejected Jesus (if you believe that rubbish) and were therefore prevented by law from most means of making a living, apart from money lending

That might have been the law (In England) but they lived in England for hundreds of years after Christs death, I don't think anyone cared about Christs death (Hundreds of years later the Nazis were hardly christianity biggest fans) people would have (as they do now) resent having to pay interest to a group of people who just happen to be a different religion.

Originally Posted by maguire

whats wrong with good old fashioned bomber jackets, thats what I want to know.

woody thinks he looks good in one
enough said

Originally Posted by Mr_Fingerz

Just because you're white & living in europe, you're not any better than an innuit surviving in the arctic (He'll live, you won't without him).

Is this some sort of "A butterfly flaps his wings in China,a hurricane ravages the Carribean " cause and effect thing ?

Our forefathers managed to exterminate several indigenous races without any (apparent) ill effects that I can discern other than politicians having to say sorry well after the genocide(s).

Originally Posted by Rodney2q

And yes, IVV does come across as a right little Hitler. I imagine he looks like Blakey from "on the buses"...



Rodney2q

Funnily enough IVV (with whom I have also been spatting today on the EDL thread) did remind me of DuffDike (with whom I have also clashed). Could they be related? - i think we should be told.

Perhaps we should hand out an SS tag?

Originally Posted by galgenberg

Is this some sort of "A butterfly flaps his wings in China,a hurricane ravages the Carribean " cause and effect thing ?

Our forefathers managed to exterminate several indigenous races without any (apparent) ill effects that I can discern other than politicians having to say sorry well after the genocide(s).

Nope, just a general observation. I suspect that Mr Innuit will do an awful lot better in the arctic, than the average european will. As for the quantum butterfly, I'll leave that to Mr Pratchett.

Oldsnowy, that is kind of what I meant, these type of people seem to grab onto something that has a good following and hide behind it or twist it, Just like they have with the “supported by serving and veteran forces personnel” line they use and their false or misguided patriotism. I think it will only be a matter of time before they try to use the Church of England as another platform unless they already do.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Yes, it is the unthinkingness of it all Mr Fingerz. These little John Bull(shit)s haven't really concocted a satisfactory myth of oppression by the under-race to drive their campaign. Which is of itself not surprising, unlike the surprising fact that an under-race like the Jews for example can actually oppress an ubermensch. How do they do that? Bloody cunning I suppose?

There isn't really much hope that the Nazi Casuals will give up their football shirts and denim though. If they did their boots would be a disgrace and they would probably fail to press their blackshirts adequately. Now I'm not an anti-Nazi per se, it sems discriminatory and illiberal just for starters, yet a scruffy Nazi elite would do this country no credit and might even encourage ethnic minorities to come here and steal the bulldog breed's jobs, wives and even perish the thought jackboots?

You are the Rt Hon Sir William of Braggshire, aka the Bard of Barking and I hereby claim my £5 (or 500000000000000000 Reichsmarks)
Fine by me though...he rocks.

Whenever I hear discussion of Nazis (or any totalitarian form of rule) I am reminded of this:

"Pastor Niemöller spoke for thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something--but then it was too late."

Originally Posted by jumpinjarhead

Whenever I hear discussion of Nazis (or any totalitarian form of rule) I am reminded of this:

"Pastor Niemöller spoke for thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something--but then it was too late."

What always bothered me about this quote - and most literature on WWII -was that they completely ignore the Nazi's persecution of the Disabled. The Nazis began routing disabled members of society with their eugenics policies as soon as they came to power. And these were 'their own' - for want of a better term - as well as 'their enemies.'

Originally Posted by jumpinjarhead

Whenever I hear discussion of Nazis (or any totalitarian form of rule) I am reminded of this:

The qoute is an example of the stomach churning hypocrasy that went on in Nazi Germany in general and the Church in particular . Niemoller like many Christian clergy was opposed to the Nazis not because they were war mongers and mass murderers but because they wanted to unite Christianity in the Nazi state . Like certain places like the West of Scotland and Northern Ireland the church didn't think of themselves as being the one homogeneous mass but were protestants and catholics . Under the Nazis people were to stop being protestants and catholics and were to be come christians something both churches in Germany were opposed to and Niemoller was the most outspoken clerical critic of this Nazi interference . He wasn't a critic of Nazism per se . If I remember I read somewhere he offered to join the Navy whilst imprisoned in 1941 . His request was turned down . Let's not paint this hypocrite as some sort of martyr . He wasn't

Originally Posted by StrainOfCommand

What always bothered me about this quote - and most literature on WWII -was that they completely ignore the Nazi's persecution of the Disabled. The Nazis began routing disabled members of society with their eugenics policies as soon as they came to power. And these were 'their own' - for want of a better term - as well as 'their enemies.'

You might find that the evil creatures who carried out unspeakable attrocities on even small mentally handicapped children and called themselves `Doctors`actually needed the Nazis more than the other way round.These were left unhindered because basically the Nazis thought they knew what they( the `doctors`) were doing,It was only when soldiers were being murdered to save money that the euthanasia program stopped and experiments on chidren became known.
About 15 years ago there was a heartbreaking TV programme on how the medical elite carried on behind the backs of the Nazi Government to further their own research and carve careers in the top echelons of German Universities.Film showing a doctor throwing a two year old handicapped child through the air to see how long it could stand afterwards was just one of the scenes that had a staunch Nazi supporter crying his eyes out in shame,this was 1995 after he´d watched the programme.
Even after the War the plight of handicapped children didn´t end in the Eastern part of Germany,many were purposely injected with smallpox to get the food ration cards,in fact more handicapped children died after the war than during it.
The student uprising in 1968 was also started in Germany as medical students realised that their teacher´s were basically sub-human monsters who´d murdered and experimented on children and baby´s and wanted them stripped of their positions and titles.
The Nazi´s wanted castration of the mentally ill to stop ´bad genes´from spreading into the general population,It´s doubtfull that they would have condoned such experiments on their own children,and according to research it looks as if the doctors duped the Nazi´s !