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**REMFQuestions** · 07-06-2010, 17:33

Originally Posted by GordonBrown

You are no more an Athiest than I am a muslim

Do you sleep much in between pondering the meaning of life?

Life's too short. We live, we die, there is no heaven or hell, someone switches out the lights and in a few years we are dust again.

The irony of anthropomorphizing death as the result of a mysterious unnamed person. :D That atheism!

Anyway -

If everyone thought like you then humankind would never advance. Just because you have no aspiration to educate yourself or those around you don't drag others down with you.

Some people enjoy theorising. It helps ward of mental illness in fact. Furthermore some of us are studying for higher qualifications because we want to better ourselves or our societies. If people like Thomas Edison just threw in the towel and decided life was too short we would be a lot worse off.

If you don't like these discussion why contribute?

**StickyEnd** · 07-06-2010, 17:40

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

Originally Posted by StickyEnd

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

Originally Posted by StickyEnd

I am not an atheist. The rest of your post I will address when I am in the mood. I still do not think that you are an atheist and the reason for that is that you are referring to creationist sources.

Creationist sources??

The Spectator? The Guardian? The Principia Mathmatica??

News to me. There is nothing in my post to address. You can either choose to believe that the individuals above believed in God or you can choose not to in spite of overwhelming evidence. Like most people, in most arguments, it is a case of ignoring or belittling those sources which disagree with your viewpoint rather than devoting your energies to actually revising your viewpoint.

Why is your first response to try and disagree with me? Why is your first response not to sit back and think - "maybe I should weight up this evidence before making a judgement"?

That would be the rational or scientific thing to do but most Atheists or not rational. They are irrationally dogmatic.

I do believe that some of those individuals believed in God. Maybe all of them if you include deism as a belief in God. Do you? Because neither Einstein nor Hawking believed in a personal God and are on record as stating such.

You are right. They are on record. It is possible that they are just as equally torn and confused as most people are. Hawking also once said that "God must exist. At some point God must meet Science." I have no doubt that each has been quoted with a multitude of conflicting statements which supports either argument.

What this boils down to is most Atheists say that God does not exist. Those with Faith say that God does exist. Both absolute statements.

A great deal of the scientific community sits in that grey area which says "We just don't know. It's possible. It's probable. The truth is, we just don't know but hopefully one day we will."

You can be an atheist and still hold this viewpoint - well I consider myself an Atheist and I hold that viewpoint. Who on this earth is any position to make absolute statements regarding this topic? Open your minds, read the oppositions material. You might even find God in your own life. Plenty have. (CS Lewis) Or you might refute him, plenty have done that too (Derren Brown)

They are both very clear when they explain what they mean with the word "God" and it is not an individual that cares about what we do. You are not an atheist, you may be an agnostic (as I am) but definitely not an atheist. Atheism=belief that there is no God.

**REMFQuestions** · 07-06-2010, 17:48

Atheism does not equal that at all. That is a very simplistic way of looking at it. There is actually a broad spectrum of Atheism, including purely theoretical Atheism all the way to Atheist Christians. Seriously.

The point is, I do not believe in God. But I also accept, as should everyone else, that noone is a position to refute anyone elses God. It is purely an individual belief and too tell others that God cannot exist is false. You can personally believe it, but you cannot prove it to anyone else. So let Christians and other faiths believe what they want.

Read what they have to say. We can still take a lot away from Religion if we explore it. There are some good guidelines for societal structure which have been hijacked through the ages. Just keep an open mind, why would anyone want to close their minds off to possible ideas they might not have considered? I don't know. I am reading the Koran at the moment and it is pretty good. A bit dry :D but still good.

**StickyEnd** · 07-06-2010, 18:06

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

Atheism does not equal that at all. That is a very simplistic way of looking at it. There is actually a broad spectrum of Atheism, including purely theoretical Atheism all the way to Atheist Christians. Seriously.

The point is, I do not believe in God. But I also accept, as should everyone else, that noone is a position to refute anyone elses God. It is purely an individual belief and too tell others that God cannot exist is false. You can personally believe it, but you cannot prove it to anyone else. So let Christians and other faiths believe what they want.

Read what they have to say. We can still take a lot away from Religion if we explore it. There are some good guidelines for societal structure which have been hijacked through the ages. Just keep an open mind, why would anyone want to close their minds off to possible ideas they might not have considered? I don't know. I am reading the Koran at the moment and it is pretty good. A bit dry :D but still good.

Why is being an atheist Christian so strange? I doubt that they believe him to be a God though, nor a miracle performer, just a good teacher of morality.

I do/have listened to what the religious have to say. Once I have done that I reserve my right to reply with my own POV. That is not unreasonable, telling me to STFU and respect religion is unreasonable.

**REMFQuestions** · 07-06-2010, 18:18

Originally Posted by StickyEnd

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

Atheism does not equal that at all. That is a very simplistic way of looking at it. There is actually a broad spectrum of Atheism, including purely theoretical Atheism all the way to Atheist Christians. Seriously.

The point is, I do not believe in God. But I also accept, as should everyone else, that noone is a position to refute anyone elses God. It is purely an individual belief and too tell others that God cannot exist is false. You can personally believe it, but you cannot prove it to anyone else. So let Christians and other faiths believe what they want.

Read what they have to say. We can still take a lot away from Religion if we explore it. There are some good guidelines for societal structure which have been hijacked through the ages. Just keep an open mind, why would anyone want to close their minds off to possible ideas they might not have considered? I don't know. I am reading the Koran at the moment and it is pretty good. A bit dry :D but still good.

Why is being an atheist Christian so strange? I doubt that they believe him to be a God though, nor a miracle performer, just a good teacher of morality.

I do/have listened to what the religious have to say. Once I have done that I reserve my right to reply with my own POV. That is not unreasonable, telling me to STFU and respect religion is unreasonable.

I never said STFU. :D

Just remember that according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity Chuck Norris can roundhouse kick you yesterday. :D

In the beginning there was nothing. Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked Nothing in the face and said get a job. That is the story of the Universe.

**Fallschirmjager** · 07-06-2010, 18:26

Irrespective if God exists or not, religion is still utter dogshit. If Jesus appeared tomorrow would he be happy with what religion has done in his name over the last two millennia?

**StickyEnd** · 07-06-2010, 18:31

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Irrespective if God exists or not, religion is still utter dogshit. If Jesus appeared tomorrow would he be happy with what religion has done in his name over the last two millennia?

I bloody well doubt it. Especially when you look at how rich his biggest apologists are.

Edit to add; I think another tantrum in the temple would ensue.

**REMFQuestions** · 07-06-2010, 18:33

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Irrespective if God exists or not, religion is still utter dogshit. If Jesus appeared tomorrow would he be happy with what religion has done in his name over the last two millennia?

That is a whole new debate and I will quite happily agree with you. Ever seen a poor Priest? Didn't think so.

**hedgehog64** · 07-06-2010, 18:35

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Irrespective if God exists or not, religion is still utter dogshit. If Jesus appeared tomorrow would he be happy with what religion has done in his name over the last two millennia?

I should imagine he'd be over the moon if he collected all the brass picked up in his name over the last two millennia.

**TheIronDuke** · 07-06-2010, 18:35

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Or Goliath might have just charged him with his spear/sword, have been a hard target while running and moved in close. It is easy for you to say now, that the story is history.

Its not exactly history. Its a tale in a book. But lets take your point?

Aragorn the... sorry, Goliath, has his army behind him, yes? He is the Total Hero. Unbeaten? First on the balcony and he once nutted Jean Claude VanDamm in a bar in Utrecht, right?

He is faced with a kid in a loincloth. No sword, no armour and he's a kid. Now, as a scientist, what would you say Goliath would do?

Charge the kid in the loincloth?

Or stand there laughing and Mumming it for his mates?

And that was his misake. It wasnt a miracle. He just mis-read the threat. Its happened to us all

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Perhaps you could put yourself in a thought experiment and say how you would react if you were in David's position?

I'd have nutted the big fucker with a flying stone, gone on to be King of Israel then died in the arms of a 15 year old virgin. But unlike David, I'd of made sure I could get it up. Even if I had to invent the 9" Black Mambo Rabbit.

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Here is a more contemporary testimony:

Ian McCormack

Yeah. The word 'Testimony' four times in the first 3 paragraphs? Testimony aint truth, scientist.