Originally Posted by mistersoft

On the train
Off the train
On the train
Off the train
On the train
Off the train

This seems vaguely familiar.

Sounds like my normal day at work! :P

Originally Posted by flamingo

They weren't my staff, or my company, or the part of the country I work in.

By the way, you need to see the Dr about that amnesia of yours.

Originally Posted by Northern_Biff

As someone said, It's crap like this that brings genuine CT measures into disrepute.

It was you that said that :D

Originally Posted by Northern_Biff

You are still talking complete crap; how does writing the word killers on a piece of paper equate to an exploding train. It's crap like this that brings genuine CT measures into disrepute

Nurse, the screens please!

Except I didn't write the last quote.

They don't let you drive the fcuking things do they!

Originally Posted by flamingo

Originally Posted by Temple

Originally Posted by flamingo

Originally Posted by Northern_Biff

Originally Posted by flamingo

Just to raise a few points to the "Bloody Jobsworths" brigade.

The railway in that area travels through a lot of areas that would have a higher proportion of military personnel than, say the Cardiff Valley's line.

This might, in the eyes of certain individuals, make the area a more attractive target to the type of attack that has already been made on public transport in this and other countries. Now that HMF travel on public transport in uniform, this makes them an easily identifiable target.

Everybody gets told to be aware of suspicious behaviour, and the security state is high (I don't think I'm breaching OPSEC to say that). Isn't it nice to know that the rail company takes your safety so seriously.

The gent involved was not thrown off the train, he was asked to accompany a security officer for further enquiries. If he had refused to leave, I'm sure that a plan B could have been put in place, involving BTP.

Railway bylaws are actually quite wide-ranging, and have been for well over 100 years, this is not new. They are part of the conditions of carriage. If anyone doesn't like it, they can 1. write to their MP's to get the law changed, and until then, 2. catch a bus.

Railway Bylaws

Fcuking pap!

I suppose 'they were only obeying orders'

However they put it, and to be frank however clowns like you support it, I and I am sure a vast majority of others that post here, would not agree with such an abuse of someones human rights, no matter how many tofu parcels he had eaten that day.
Christ man, can you not see how bad things have become when you support an action like this.

Don't start into "Human Rights" s*** FFS! . That's a cnuts argument when they can't think of anything logical to say.

I was attempting to point out why the staff may have been a bit twitchy working trains in this area. You obviously don't agree. You also obviously don't receive the security briefings rail staff do, and have a short memory that borders on amnesia.

Here's something that might jog it.

You are still talking complete crap; how does writing the word killers on a piece of paper equate to an exploding train. It's crap like this that brings genuine CT measures into disrepute

You'd know about that then? I've given my view, from the point of view of on-board train staff, knowing the briefings we receive and the by-laws we operate with, and with five years experience of implementing them as a Train Manager.

So far, you have given your opinion that this incident was a breach of Human-Rights legislation and detrimental to counter-terrorism operations. Now, would you care to let everybody know your qualifications to make these statements?

I didn't mention human rights legislation so I feel that's pretty irrelevant; this is more a breach of common sense rather than anything else. As for being detrimental to counter-terrorism I thought that was obvious, but perhaps not. By behaving in such a ludicrous manner these muppets make it harder for genuine counter-terrorism measures to be taken seriously by joe-public. As for my qualifications, I think the only ne needed in this case is to be a member of the human race with a bit of common sense. Doubtless being a train manager makes you an expert on terrorist methodology so I bow before your vast experience or perhaps you could just stick to making sure the sausage rolls in the buffet are ok.

I'm guessing "Peace Train" wasn't on the bands line-up.

Originally Posted by Temple

Originally Posted by flamingo

Originally Posted by Temple

Originally Posted by flamingo

Originally Posted by Northern_Biff

Originally Posted by flamingo

Just to raise a few points to the "Bloody Jobsworths" brigade.

The railway in that area travels through a lot of areas that would have a higher proportion of military personnel than, say the Cardiff Valley's line.

This might, in the eyes of certain individuals, make the area a more attractive target to the type of attack that has already been made on public transport in this and other countries. Now that HMF travel on public transport in uniform, this makes them an easily identifiable target.

Everybody gets told to be aware of suspicious behaviour, and the security state is high (I don't think I'm breaching OPSEC to say that). Isn't it nice to know that the rail company takes your safety so seriously.

The gent involved was not thrown off the train, he was asked to accompany a security officer for further enquiries. If he had refused to leave, I'm sure that a plan B could have been put in place, involving BTP.

Railway bylaws are actually quite wide-ranging, and have been for well over 100 years, this is not new. They are part of the conditions of carriage. If anyone doesn't like it, they can 1. write to their MP's to get the law changed, and until then, 2. catch a bus.

Railway Bylaws

Fcuking pap!

I suppose 'they were only obeying orders'

However they put it, and to be frank however clowns like you support it, I and I am sure a vast majority of others that post here, would not agree with such an abuse of someones human rights, no matter how many tofu parcels he had eaten that day.
Christ man, can you not see how bad things have become when you support an action like this.

Don't start into "Human Rights" s*** FFS! . That's a cnuts argument when they can't think of anything logical to say.

I was attempting to point out why the staff may have been a bit twitchy working trains in this area. You obviously don't agree. You also obviously don't receive the security briefings rail staff do, and have a short memory that borders on amnesia.

Here's something that might jog it.

You are still talking complete crap; how does writing the word killers on a piece of paper equate to an exploding train. It's crap like this that brings genuine CT measures into disrepute

You'd know about that then? I've given my view, from the point of view of on-board train staff, knowing the briefings we receive and the by-laws we operate with, and with five years experience of implementing them as a Train Manager.

So far, you have given your opinion that this incident was a breach of Human-Rights legislation and detrimental to counter-terrorism operations. Now, would you care to let everybody know your qualifications to make these statements?

I didn't mention human rights legislation so I feel that's pretty irrelevant; this is more a breach of common sense rather than anything else. As for being detrimental to counter-terrorism I thought that was obvious, but perhaps not. By behaving in such a ludicrous manner these muppets make it harder for genuine counter-terrorism measures to be taken seriously by joe-public. As for my qualifications, I think the only ne needed in this case is to be a member of the human race with a bit of common sense. Doubtless being a train manager makes you an expert on terrorist methodology so I bow before your vast experience or perhaps you could just stick to making sure the sausage rolls in the buffet are ok.

I think Flamingo is having a bad day........it's not easy clipping tickets with a train full of 'would be terrorists' you know.

Originally Posted by Temple

I didn't mention human rights legislation so I feel that's pretty irrelevant; this is more a breach of common sense rather than anything else. As for being detrimental to counter-terrorism I thought that was obvious, but perhaps not. By behaving in such a ludicrous manner these muppets make it harder for genuine counter-terrorism measures to be taken seriously by joe-public. As for my qualifications, I think the only ne needed in this case is to be a member of the human race with a bit of common sense. Doubtless being a train manager makes you an expert on terrorist methodology so I bow before your vast experience or perhaps you could just stick to making sure the sausage rolls in the buffet are ok.

Was that ludicrous manner asking somebody what they were up to, getting an explanation, and then letting them get on with their business?

Oh the inhumanity! The stupidity! The absolute barbarity of it all!

How fcuking boring is that part of the world if this makes it into the news? What was on the front page?

MILKMAN DELIVERS ENTIRE ROUND WITHOUT DROPPING A BOTTLE!!!
By our senior reporter, Phil Space
Cor blimey! Exclusive pictures and interview pages 2,4,5,6,7,8.

Tomorrow - special pull out edition.

Originally Posted by Temple

perhaps you could just stick to making sure the sausage rolls in the buffet are ok.

So, you've made a note of foodstuffs served on trains, have you? Some of these trains will be carying serving Pastry Compliance Officers, policemen, Government ministers, even perhaps members of the Royal Family. Some trains may even be overflown by aeroplanes. Do you need reminding of the Great Steak and Kidney Outrages of the 1960s?

Witch!

Funny how all the terminal socialists dont see anything wrong with it.

Baz - Tyranny arrives most often by stealth and with the best on intentions.

Originally Posted by Northern_Biff

Funny how all the terminal socialists dont see anything wrong with it.

Baz - Tyranny arrives most often by stealth and with the best on intentions.

Really? Fascinating. Do explain what you mean. Are you suggesting that this was an act of tyranny? If I fart in a lift and don't tell anyone it was me, is that an act of perfidy? If you park on a double yellow line - is that an act of rebellion?

Perhaps a 3 sense approach might be better employed -

Common sense
Sense of humour
Sense of perspective

Do you honestly, truly believe that someone being stopped and sked a question is a step towards a tyrannical state?

If so, can I become your wholesales supplier of tin foil - I could make a killing,
erm I mean song,
erm I mean fortune from you.

Edited to add:

What is that over used and quoted poem so beloved on here?

"When they came for the musicians, I didn't say anything
When they came for the fare dodgers, I thought well, alright, they haven't actually paid to be on here
When they came for the catering assistant, it was alright because I have just bought my cup of brown liquid with three sugars to mask the taste
And when they came for me, there was no-one left to stand up for me. But luckily it was on a train in Britain, and they had to get the other connection to get to me, which was delayed due to years of chronic under-investment made compounded by an ill concieved privatisation and poor post-privatisation management by a company only interested in profits, and so they were delayed and I made good my escape by bus instead. Still makes you think, eh"

Originally Posted by flamingo

I'd know about that then? I've given my view, from the point of view of on-board train staff, knowing the briefings we receive and the by-laws we operate with, and with five years experience of implementing them as a Train Manager.

So far, you have given your opinion that this incident was a breach of Human-Rights legislation and detrimental to counter-terrorism operations. Now, would you care to let everybody know your qualifications to make these statements?

Wow was't that what we called a GUARD in the real world! It would make more sence to employ REAL police who have been PROPERLY trained and have powers of arrest, rather than dress some numpties up in hi vis jackets a bit like the "cut price community police" that Labour are trying to foist on Britain instead of REAL pOLICE!