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enough said,


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As a child around twelve and in my early teens I used to wonder why my RC neighbours ( and occasional playmates) of the same age as me became almost paralysed with what I thought was respect when anyone dressed in clerical gear appeared. I now know it was not respect but was virtually abject fear in many cases - fear instilled not only by mental cruelty but by physical cruelty too. I occasionally tried to discuss this at home but had my - probably very naive - questions brushed aside by my (Presbyterian) parents. They must also have known things were wrong, living in a community of almost equal numbers of both "sides", but seemed to have considered it bad manners to discuss it or to be critical of another faith group.
It did not apply only to younger persons. Many mature people and particularly certain women seemed imbued with some sort of terror of the approach of Father....! My and my co-religionist's very casual approach to our clergy seems with hindsight to appear somewhat disrespectful. With that same hindsight I can see it was certainly healthier.
(I would never claim however that it is not possible to find a paedophile among protestant clergymen)

The irony is that priestly celibacy is not given as a requirement anywhere in the New Testament. In the Jewish tradition in which Jesus grew up it was normal and usual for priests to marry. In my opinion Christianity was hijacked for political purposes by the Emperor Constantine in the 4th century AD and it took over a thousand years for it to recover and break free from the RC addiction to temporal power, which carried with it such a vast range of moral corruption as to make any equivalence between Roman Catholicism and Christianity totally false. I regard Roman Catholicism as a perversion of Christianity and in no way part of it and see its pretence to be Christian as a vast fraud and moral con-trick, best perpetrated on superstitious pig-ignorant peasants. The RC hierarchy's long-standing denial and active cover-up of paedophilia is a disgrace and a stain that needs abject abasement, and massive compensation to the victims. In sum I don't regard Roman Catholicism as any part of real Christianity at all.

The C of E hath its problems but believing its priesthhood to be above the law isn't one of them.

Originally Posted by western

Oh here we go. Ok then let's be grown up? Your post gave the impression that you are a staunch supporter of the Roman Catholic Church position on child abuse and the protection of repeat and prolific child abusers.

Coming up with the party line that this problem is infrequent and nothing to do with the church hierachy.

Try Google mate, the RC church can no longer afford the financial settlement to buy the silence of the abused and raped across Europe and North America. They must be wetting themselves at the thought of S America, Africa and Asia becoming involved as this is where they sent exposed Paedophiles for over 100 years.

Your response please? I will not deny being a cnunt but I will not support perverts and abusers.

My posts did NOT give the impression that I believed that the RC church position and actions in the past was either correct or appropriate, re-read them. Nobody could argue that what they did was correct, the church in Ireland itself is not saying that. Certain individuals are trying to distance themselves from their past acts or omissions, this is not right. However, the church is making efforts to try and prevent this happening again. Ireland as a whole is making a huge effort to acknowledge and correct it's mistakes, both in attitude and financial terms. (I don't know if the UK can say the same.)

However, blanket generalisations like the title of this thread are also misleading. Whenever they are made about the army, for example, then 58000 members on here jump up and down about "unfair generalisations, in any organisation you get a few bad apples" etc. I am not alone in posting on this thread to say that I personally never had any experience or was aware of any improper behaviour of a sexual nature by anybody in authority, religious or otherwise. Again, some posters on this thread have said they personally had, and I find this appalling. But it was not every priest, school or parish, far from it. This has been overlooked.

Calling somebody a paedophile or flinging sectarianism terms (taig) about only shows your mentality and prejudices, your apparent inability to read and comprehend written information is obvious. Your real name is Bubba and you have a freshly laundered white sheet for days off, I bet!

Originally Posted by revmodes

coming from good glaswegian/Cork stock obviously R.C. attended Catholic and forces schools all over the world, the common denominator here seems to be that the priests and nun teachers, thought little of using violence, some of it quite heavy duty to enforce discipline.

My background being Liverpool descended from Tramore stockk and having been at Catholic schools for my education I experienced lots of the same. THe headmistress and deputy at my Infant school were evil bitches (I can think of a lot of nastier words, these are probably the kindest) I remember going home with inch wide bruises across my knees where i had been hit with the handle of the school bell because I had not been stood in line. My saving was my mother, who had come very close to ending up in one of the Magdelan laundries, but her mum sent her to Liverpool to work in service and brought up my elder brother herself. She was beaten at school by the nuns and had no time for them or priests. So whilst I had to attend an RC School and go to church on Sundays it ended there. I have seen her chase the priest of the doorstep several times when they have come to see why she was't in church, they stopped after a while.

Fortunately I never experienced any of the sexual abuse but I did experience a hefty amount of physical abuse, and saw that and mental abuse being handed out to kids, supposedly from god fearing people.

I have met some good catholic priests in the whilst in the mob, and have had similar discussions with them, they have found it hard to justify the catholic churces position on these peados. However I can safely say that I would not p*&s on a nun if she was on fire, god rot their souls.

Originally Posted by seaweed

The irony is that priestly celibacy is not given as a requirement anywhere in the New Testament. In the Jewish tradition in which Jesus grew up it was normal and usual for priests to marry. In my opinion Christianity was hijacked for political purposes by the Emperor Constantine in the 4th century AD and it took over a thousand years for it to recover and break free from the RC addiction to temporal power, which carried with it such a vast range of moral corruption as to make any equivalence between Roman Catholicism and Christianity totally false. I regard Roman Catholicism as a perversion of Christianity and in no way part of it and see its pretence to be Christian as a vast fraud and moral con-trick, best perpetrated on superstitious pig-ignorant peasants. The RC hierarchy's long-standing denial and active cover-up of paedophilia is a disgrace and a stain that needs abject abasement, and massive compensation to the victims. In sum I don't regard Roman Catholicism as any part of real Christianity at all.

The C of E hath its problems but believing its priesthhood to be above the law isn't one of them.

You have summed up my thoughts entirely and put it far better than I could have.


I agree that C of E isn't without its problems but the C of E make up a tiny percentage of the Christian Faith. And I know that in the larger Christian communities the RCC are not thanked for how they portray themselves and seem to have awarded themselves as the face of Christianity when actually they appear to be more of a faith based industry.

Hell my own denomination (Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople) has documented of its dealings with the RCC as early as 754 With Constantine being tyrannical. RC history is saturated in literature showing its renouncing of the original values of Christianity in order to create its own version of things that best suit itself at the time.

It is documented that in 1204 the Crusaders sacked Constantinople raped the Byzantine nuns and killed all in sight and sat a whore in the throne in Haiga Sophia. The Bishop of Rome at the time was said to "strongly rebuke the crusaders" in much the same way as the Bishops have done in more recent history, so you see they are just following the example of the past. It seems tradition over rules law in the RCC.

I honestly had no Idea what a can of worms I was opening when I jokeingly started this thread I have just been in my local Pub and a number of my friends,who I did not know were Catholic have told me that this was quit common and probably the reason the nearby Nazrath House childrens home was closed, along with the fact they also were involved with the sending of children to Australia. And I thought getting six of the best was a pain in the Arrse

its not a can of worms it's a discussion, which is so far going quite well I think.