Sorry Cuddles but I did attend one and witnessed homosexual practices taking place.

You really shouldn't be so sensitive as the list of places where sexual perversion is inspired by celibacy could go on for many pages. I suppose that it would be more even to have used UDA and UDA prisoners in HMP Maze, they were quite famous for it too.

Apart from genuine Gays, a number who dabble in man on man (or boy on Boy) sexual activity in such environments revert to hetrosexual activity when back in a normal environment.

Did I touch a nerve? Perhaps you could not leave it behind and brought it into the Mess with you or is it just a touch of self loathing? :D

Originally Posted by western

Sorry Cuddles but I did attend one and witnessed homosexual practices taking place.

An "Old Portoran" ?

I would highly recommend a documentary/film called 'Deliver us from Evil', which investigates and establishes the lengths the Vatican went to in order to protect both its reputation and priests within the US - to the detriment of many young boy's bottoms.

What is most notable, is that it was made with the full engagement of an Irish ex-priest who worked in America molesting kids and raping babies - who was repeatedly moved from state to state whilst parents were told he had been dismissed. He gives interviews throughout the documentary and explains himself. It can be torrented online.

Interestingly, the current Pope Benedict chaired the body that are responsible for dealing with paedo-priests for over 30 years - and that is why it would be entirely justified to break his nose.

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

Originally Posted by BrandySoured

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

It's no coincidence either that it is financially far more rewarding to sue a well-financed and heirarchical organisation, such as the Catholic Church, than it would be to sue a Church that is based on smaller, separate units - and so has no assets worth seizing. No Lawyer - even on legal aid - is going to sue someone with no assets, as there is no possibility of any compo being paid.

So, what you are saying is that the RC organisation is being targeted, victimised and picked on?

FFS, that takes the biscuit!

Lawyers will only encourage people to act where there is money. No money = no legal redress, unless legal aid is avialable.

So yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I do not believe - and have never seen evidence to show - that the Catholic Church has a greater proportion of child abusers than any other Church.

I think the only way you could even come close to making that argument work is by claiming that all other major churches have a serious problem with sexual abuse, but they just haven't been caught yet. But that would take a major leap of faith.

Oh, right... :D

The modern Church is sad to see.

Its reputation in Western media as being a haven for sexual predators is a growing problem, and could threaten to cause damage out of all proportion to the number of actual current incidents, as well as giving incentive for more of these malignant individuals to try to enter the priesthood. If the reputation were to spill out into S. America, Africa and Asia, the Church could lose a huge amount of its earthly authority through such an incompetent handling of this particular issue.

Back in the day, threats to the spiritual integrity of the Church could have been vilified as blasphemous apostates possessed by Satan to undermine the Church, and then been violently persecuted for the greater glory of God. I don't see why the damage which could be done to the Church by this group of people is any different from that risked by, for example, the Cathars.

A barbarous response to the problem, I daresay, and certainly a pretty 'retro' way of dealing the the problem, but perhaps still less humiliating than suppressed evidence, bribery, and dishonest denial.

The Church is out of shape.

Originally Posted by western

Sorry Cuddles but I did attend one and witnessed homosexual practices taking place.

You really shouldn't be so sensitive as the list of places where sexual perversion is inspired by celibacy could go on for many pages. I suppose that it would be more even to have used UDA and UDA prisoners in HMP Maze, they were quite famous for it too.

Apart from genuine Gays, a number who dabble in man on man (or boy on Boy) sexual activity in such environments revert to hetrosexual activity when back in a normal environment.

Did I touch a nerve? Perhaps you could not leave it behind and brought it into the Mess with you or is it just a touch of self loathing? :D

No nerve touched - positively nerveless in fact. I just think that to assume celibacy leads to paedophilia, as night follows day, is a rather lazy generalisation and one that doesn't really stack up. Anyway, once you start being sexually active in any shape or form, then you are by definition no longer celibate...

As for men in all male contexts indulging in homosexual acts - there is the famous story of an Argyll subaltern who under heavy fire at El Alamein found himself being sexually assaulted by his OC. He rationalised that it was some kind of life-affirming practise in the face of the German counter-barrage...personally I suspect he wanted it the bitch!

And of course as everyone knows, in prison as long as you are a giver, you aren't gay.

I was a day boy, finally, so was safely on the bus home with the kiddy fiddler conductor, before the dormitory sexual outrages began. I am afraid I had to buy my Mars bars from the tuck shop...

You never lived then!

Originally Posted by suckmedic1

As for assets The Orthadox church is extremely wealthy as is the Islamic faith, not to mention the Jews. Infact you don't even have to do research to know these things, it is fact. When was the last time you heard of a Rabbi paedo?

Well they do exist . Check this paedo Rabbi . No jokes about " Oi vey Ya wanna buy some sweeties ? "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6MmzRRYk0

As I've said in previous contributions to this thread there's no doubt in my mind a believer in any faith is more inclined to fiddle with kids . Perhaps the prevelence of paedo priests in Ireland is to do with the paedos knowing they can get away with it more ?

So the remarks by 85-year-old Father Gabriele Amorth, for decades the chief exorcist in Rome, have taken many by surprise. Far from being superstitious medieval nonsense, Amorth has said in promoting his new book, Memoirs of An Exorcist, the Devil is 'lodging in the Vatican' and can be seen in the activities of paedophile priests, over-ambitious clerics and 'cardinals who don't believe in Jesus'.

A bad boy did it and ran away

So there you have it. When all else fails, blame someone else and in the case of the RC church when those heathen proddys can't be got at, there's always ole' Nick.

Will that defence hold up in court?

Originally Posted by parapauk

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

Originally Posted by BrandySoured

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

It's no coincidence either that it is financially far more rewarding to sue a well-financed and heirarchical organisation, such as the Catholic Church, than it would be to sue a Church that is based on smaller, separate units - and so has no assets worth seizing. No Lawyer - even on legal aid - is going to sue someone with no assets, as there is no possibility of any compo being paid.

So, what you are saying is that the RC organisation is being targeted, victimised and picked on?

FFS, that takes the biscuit!

Lawyers will only encourage people to act where there is money. No money = no legal redress, unless legal aid is avialable.

So yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I do not believe - and have never seen evidence to show - that the Catholic Church has a greater proportion of child abusers than any other Church.

I think the only way you could even come close to making that argument work is by claiming that all other major churches have a serious problem with sexual abuse, but they just haven't been caught yet. But that would take a major leap of faith.

Oh, right... :D

Where to begin? Your ignorance in these matters is appalling, but not unusual. Many other churches have suffered from the same thing - it is certanily not solely a Catholic problem. In the US (where most of this happens) there have been many cases against Protestant and other Churches, and several $M100's have been extracted from them as a result.

Nothing to do with faith - although, Parapuke, I'd rather have faith in God than in Marx - god is much more reliable.