Thread: School leavers: 'can't read/write/have attitude problem'

Too many are in it for the holidays and a rather good pay checks.

I'd rather have a pay cheque.

People in glass houses.....etc.

Trans-sane makes a good point about 40% having the SEN. When I wor a lad a nasty little piece of work was described as such. Now they have ADHD & the condition which causes them to respond badly to authority.

I truly despair of simple bad behaviour being medicalised so it is not the child's fault...

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Too many are in it for the holidays and a rather good pay checks.

I'd rather have a pay cheque.

People in glass houses.....etc.

I implied rather strongly in my prior post that I was a science graduate. I will confirm this now. As such English is not my first language. Techno-geek is :P

Originally Posted by Trans-sane

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Too many are in it for the holidays and a rather good pay checks.

I'd rather have a pay cheque.

People in glass houses.....etc.

I implied rather strongly in my prior post that I was a science graduate. I will confirm this now. As such English is not my first language. Techno-geek is :P

Rather proves my point about graduates not being able to spell regardless of their degree.....

On the plus side, you don't need great communication skills to text 'cokc' or to swing your tassles.

At least some of them aren't just waiting for someone else to make all the nasty problems go away.

Originally Posted by lsquared

I have regular professional and social dealings with 'middle to senior ranking' managers in the following organisations based in the City and Central London: HSBC; Nationwide; Citibank; Marks & Spencer; Chelsea Building Society; three large firms of solicitors; and one or two others.

Without exception the common concern is the generally poor level of education apparent in their potential 'recruits'. The biggest concerns appear to be: poor numeracy and an inability to write English. Additionally, the group of mainly young people being discussed have no idea concerning the concepts of: commitment, punctuality and loyalty.

Astonishingly, it appears that these deficiencies apply equally to non-graduates and graduates!.

Why should that be astonishing? Are graduates expected to suddenly aquire extra virtues on graduation?

every child in my primary school year left with 1)respectable grades 2) respect in general 3) ambitiions to become somthing more than manager at mcdonalds. they worked us f*ck hard for our SATS, told us they were really crucial (even though they wern't it sort of set us up for GCSE's), from christmas till the exams we didnt have a single lesson that wasen't tested on ( geography, art, music), and then after SATS were over we had a massive party and didnt do anything for the rest of the year. now, my primary school was far from perfect- the head was a pervert just for starters-but when i got to secondary school i saw just how far ahead the kids from my primary school were from our contemporaries.

The main problem in education is secondary schools. i went from being in top sets at the start of year seven (i had also been offered a scholership to a private school) to barelly passing the entrance exam 2 years later when my parents realised how little i was learning at my comprehensive. in 2 years, i had hardly learnt a damn thing.

I think the problem is that secondary schools assume that if you dont know somthing having left primary school, your a retard and will never learn it, and just leave those people to sit at the back disturbing others when they should be helping them catch up, rather than sending them off on "team building" exercises, and take them bowling to "relieve stress".

Originally Posted by sazzz

every child in my primary school year left with 1)respectable grades 2) respect in general 3) ambitiions to become somthing more than manager at mcdonalds. they worked us f*ck hard for our SATS, told us they were really crucial (even though they wern't it sort of set us up for GCSE's), from christmas till the exams we didnt have a single lesson that wasen't tested on ( geography, art, music), and then after SATS were over we had a massive party and didnt do anything for the rest of the year. now, my primary school was far from perfect- the head was a pervert just for starters-but when i got to secondary school i saw just how far ahead the kids from my primary school were from our contemporaries.

The main problem in education is secondary schools. i went from being in top sets at the start of year seven (i had also been offered a scholership to a private school) to barelly passing the entrance exam 2 years later when my parents realised how little i was learning at my comprehensive. in 2 years, i had hardly learnt a damn thing.

I think the problem is that secondary schools assume that if you dont know somthing having left primary school, your a retard and will never learn it, and just leave those people to sit at the back disturbing others when they should be helping them catch up, rather than sending them off on "team building" exercises, and take them bowling to "relieve stress".

Wow! Real time proof of the standard of writing skills being discussed here!!

Originally Posted by Speedy

Originally Posted by sazzz

...they worked us f*ck hard for our SATS, told us they were really crucial (even though they wern't it sort of set us up for GCSE's), from christmas till the exams we didnt have a single lesson that wasen't tested on ( geography, art, music),...

Wow! Real time proof of the standard of writing skills being discussed here!!

An real time proof (certainly implicit) that modern schooling is about teaching to a test. We can't blame schools or pupils for this as it is what is imposed by Government.

I know the Tories were quite keen on measuring stuff, but Labour really do take the biscuit. Still, under Comrade Balls' Five Year Plan Graduate Production Targets have been smashed! More successful exam results than ever before. Its just a pity that like Soviet tractor production the product isn't good enough (remember the record output of boots that had the slight problem they were all for left feet & none right)...

Originally Posted by RearWords

Originally Posted by Trans-sane

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Too many are in it for the holidays and a rather good pay checks.

I'd rather have a pay cheque.

People in glass houses.....etc.

I implied rather strongly in my prior post that I was a science graduate. I will confirm this now. As such English is not my first language. Techno-geek is :P

Rather proves my point about graduates not being able to spell regardless of their degree.....

Personally, I'd prefer a science graduate to be good at science, rather than a good speller...

Edit: and graduates being unable to spell is not a new phenomena

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...619C94659FD7CF

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

Originally Posted by RearWords

Originally Posted by Trans-sane

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Too many are in it for the holidays and a rather good pay checks.

I'd rather have a pay cheque.

People in glass houses.....etc.

I implied rather strongly in my prior post that I was a science graduate. I will confirm this now. As such English is not my first language. Techno-geek is :P

Rather proves my point about graduates not being able to spell regardless of their degree.....

Personally, I'd prefer a science graduate to be good at science, rather than a good speller...

Edit: and graduates being unable to spell is not a new phenomena

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...619C94659FD7CF

Personally I prefer the science graduates to be good at science and spelling otherwise the kids they teach pick up their bad spelling habits.....

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

Originally Posted by RearWords

Originally Posted by Trans-sane

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Too many are in it for the holidays and a rather good pay checks.

I'd rather have a pay cheque.

People in glass houses.....etc.

I implied rather strongly in my prior post that I was a science graduate. I will confirm this now. As such English is not my first language. Techno-geek is :P

Rather proves my point about graduates not being able to spell regardless of their degree.....

Personally, I'd prefer a science graduate to be good at science, rather than a good speller...

Edit: and graduates being unable to spell is not a new phenomena

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...619C94659FD7CF

After trawling through this thread I think I might be the odd sprog (early 20s) here who agrees with the old and bold. I'd prefer it if the inability to spell and communicate properly wasn't tolerated with assignation or apathy quite so early on. Its not that facking difficult... I challenge anyone who disagrees to name me reason as to why it should be.

Originally Posted by cupoftea

After trawling through this thread I think I might be the odd sprog (early 20s) here who agrees with the old and bold. I'd prefer it if the inability to spell and communicate properly wasn't tolerated with assignation or apathy quite so early on. Its not that facking difficult... I challenge anyone who disagrees to name me reason as to why it should be.

Obviously it is ;)

MSR

*groan* Just making sure you're paying attention sir :P

Originally Posted by cupoftea

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

Originally Posted by RearWords

Originally Posted by Trans-sane

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Too many are in it for the holidays and a rather good pay checks.

I'd rather have a pay cheque.

People in glass houses.....etc.

I implied rather strongly in my prior post that I was a science graduate. I will confirm this now. As such English is not my first language. Techno-geek is :P

Rather proves my point about graduates not being able to spell regardless of their degree.....

Personally, I'd prefer a science graduate to be good at science, rather than a good speller...

Edit: and graduates being unable to spell is not a new phenomena

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...619C94659FD7CF

After trawling through this thread I think I might be the odd sprog (early 20s) here who agrees with the old and bold. I'd prefer it if the inability to spell and communicate properly wasn't tolerated with assignation or apathy quite so early on. Its not that facking difficult... I challenge anyone who disagrees to name me reason as to why it should be.

Just because somebody cannot spell, doesn't mean they are unable to use a spellcheck. And being poor at spelling does not mean they are poor at communicating... Spelling ability is not related to either vocabulary or verbal comprehension.

In the future I will be in charge of my own research group, and I personally would have no qualms allowing somebody in my lab who couldn't spell - as long as they used the readily available tools to overcome that.