Originally Posted by Whet

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I'd say you were basing your arguement on a false premise. Very fewe addicts live in anything more than hostels because given the opportunity they would take their housing benefit and spend it (housing benefit cannot be forcibly paid to the landlord - the claimant is always given the choice of receiving the benefit and then transferring it themselves to the landlord

The unscrupulous landlord gets the claimant to open a bank account to receive the benefit, then takes control of it. Once the benefit is in place the account address is changed and as it was the landlords signature on all documents all is sweet.

Originally Posted by CQMS

Originally Posted by Whet

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I'd say you were basing your arguement on a false premise. Very fewe addicts live in anything more than hostels because given the opportunity they would take their housing benefit and spend it (housing benefit cannot be forcibly paid to the landlord - the claimant is always given the choice of receiving the benefit and then transferring it themselves to the landlord

The unscrupulous landlord gets the claimant to open a bank account to receive the benefit, then takes control of it. Once the benefit is in place the account address is changed and as it was the landlords signature on all documents all is sweet.

You miss the point.

If addicts wanted to not see their benefits they could have it paid straight to the landlord - there would be no need for the landlord to break the law. addicts want control of their money and so would not pass up the temptation of having it to spend on drugs. Therefore rent would not get paid and addicts get kicked out on their ear.

Originally Posted by Whet

Sticky

Are you saying that she should receive more to benefit her working or that her benefits should be cut?

I am saying that nobody should ever be worse off for going back to work than they are by staying out of it. Nobody. I am not arguing about how much anyone should receive on different benefits here. I am just saying that once someone is on benefits, they should never be worse off for going back to work.

I would choose to administer that by looking at someones total benefits and only reducing them (in total) by about fifty pence/pound earned after tax and NI.

We can not afford to continue the way we have been going. It would be much cheaper and healthier in the long term to slowly reduce the benefits of claimers returning to work so they are always financially rewarded for working than to punish them.

So Whet

Tell me, how much more do I need to see of homelessness, addictions, benefits and housing? And you haven't answered the question of which sector you gained all this knowledge. Since you put yourself forward as the expert, I'd love to know and would be happy to discuss.#

Ftr those of us who don't know everything, HB rules are complicated and not nearly so straightforward as Whet would have it. LHA notwithstanding,where the rules are different in private tenancies.

Shelter: "Housing benefit is paid by the council to help people pay their rent. The rules about how much housing benefit you may get are complicated "

As for "most addicts live in Hostels" or that they are even all street homeless, no-one believes that, do they?

See This book for the real gen.

Originally Posted by Tremaine

So Whet

Tell me, how much more do I need to see of homelessness, addictions, benefits and housing? And you haven't answered the question of which sector you gained all this knowledge. Since you put yourself forward as the expert, I'd love to know and would be happy to discuss.

I was homeless in Dumfries for a year.

My brother worked in St Georges Crypt, my nephew was a drug addict and I saw at first hand how drug addicts fall through the system.

My mother was on the residents board of Craven (now Yorkshire) Housing, and received briefs from all layers of the housing association.

Two of my cousins, who I see regularly are on various rungs of the DWP.


So, through my own experience and conversation/discussions/debates with my family I have quite an insight into the areas of which I speak.


What about you?

He doesnt need to explain it to us. Whet is our living example of all of them!

Whet,about your "brain disorder"...you failed to answer questions some months ago on the reason you do not work. Have you thought of an answer yet?

I can link or repeat if you require :D

Two of my cousins, who I see regularly are on various rungs of the DWP.

That explains a lot.

Troubling story. But sadly it doesn't qualify you to make sweeping misleading statements about addicts, HB and the system. And my own position? I'll not embarrass you further.

Originally Posted by ashie

Originally Posted by Tremaine

"Countless taxpayers struggling to make ends meet during the recession will agree" Daily Express today. Not only based on immigration, which should defuse the lunatic fringe somewhat, but apparently a balanced article. Trying to get veterans and high needs people on to the housing lists, and into suitable housing, is a bl**dy nightmare, I should know.

Maybe stories like this are the reason why so many are struggling to get a small Flat, anywhere, simply because of stupid rules, "positive" discrimination , and local authorities behaving like arrseholes?

My view? this stinks and not afraid to say so.



Story

Shocking....hold on a mo...what was that story a couple of days ago? Ahhhh yes:

Pregnant mother leaps to her death with five-month-old son in her arms after losing benefits


Benefits heaven indeed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0YqxtrRIF

Darwinism.

Originally Posted by supermatelot

He doesnt need to explain it to us. Whet is our living example of all of them!

Whet,about your "brain disorder"...you failed to answer questions some months ago on the reason you do not work. Have you thought of an answer yet?

I can link or repeat if you require :D

Two of my cousins, who I see regularly are on various rungs of the DWP.

That explains a lot.

Which questions matelot? I do try but miss them sometimes. Ask again old bean, ask again.

Originally Posted by Tremaine

Troubling story. But sadly it doesn't qualify you to make sweeping misleading statements about addicts, HB and the system. And my own position? I'll not embarrass you further.

I'll bet it qualifies more than yours does. I have first hand experience and the experiences of those around me.

You have?