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    Herriot of Helmand

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    Seems like a worthwhile programme. Happy farmers with healthy livestock = well-fed families = fewer $10 Taliban, I would have thought.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Imagine the Afghan Mrs Pumphrey though...

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo-Ken
    Imagine the Afghan Mrs Pumphrey though...
    Whats the Dari/Pashto for "Vitinry"?
    This should be agony. I should be a mass of aching muscle — broken, spent, unable to move. And, were I an older man, I surely would… But I’m a man of 30 — of 20 again. The rain on my chest is a baptism. I’m born again


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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    How would they say, like Mallick(the bone man) It's "Congestion tit Lungs vitinry".

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Quote Originally Posted by smartascarrots
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    Seems like a worthwhile programme. Happy farmers with healthy livestock = well-fed families = fewer $10 Taliban, I would have thought.
    Agreed. It also highlights just how ignorant the locals are. Education is badly needed in Afghanistan. It really p1sses me off the way that aid money has been wasted over there. The amount of money poured into Afghanistan could have made a real big improvement to the lives of Afghanis, instead it has been wasted.

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Quote Originally Posted by StickyEnd
    The amount of money poured into Afghanistan could have made a real big improvement to the lives of Afghanis, instead it has been wasted.
    I dunno, it's helped keep the board of Mercedes in ivory back-scratchers.

    That was something that really surprised me - quite how out of touch with their own needs they seemed to be. I'd always assumed that subsistence farmers - of all people - would have a firm grasp of basic agriculture. Seems not.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Quote Originally Posted by smartascarrots
    Quote Originally Posted by StickyEnd
    The amount of money poured into Afghanistan could have made a real big improvement to the lives of Afghanis, instead it has been wasted.
    I dunno, it's helped keep the board of Mercedes in ivory back-scratchers.

    That was something that really surprised me - quite how out of touch with their own needs they seemed to be. I'd always assumed that subsistence farmers - of all people - would have a firm grasp of basic agriculture. Seems not.
    They probably would have if they wheren't so religious.

    Religion, keeping people ignorant for millenia.

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Given we're not going to be able to rid Afghanistan of religion, how do we go about delivering something as basic as teaching farmers how to look after livestock?

    The need for security is a given in the big-ticket infrastructure projects, but it strikes me that something like this only requires that we creat a bubble of security for a short time while the goat-doc delivers his lecture and puts his hand where nature never intended. Why isn't it given more priority? Is it perhaps less 'sexy' than building a dam or a school?
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Good stuff. The British-led Multi-National Division South West in Bosnia also ran a successful veterinary programme.

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Quote Originally Posted by smartascarrots
    Given we're not going to be able to rid Afghanistan of religion, how do we go about delivering something as basic as teaching farmers how to look after livestock?

    The need for security is a given in the big-ticket infrastructure projects, but it strikes me that something like this only requires that we creat a bubble of security for a short time while the goat-doc delivers his lecture and puts his hand where nature never intended. Why isn't it given more priority? Is it perhaps less 'sexy' than building a dam or a school?
    The guy you linked to in your OP is making a start. Good luck to him.

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    Re: Herriot of Helmand

    Quote Originally Posted by hackle
    Good stuff. The British-led Multi-National Division South West in Bosnia also ran a successful veterinary programme.
    I know a bloke who was heavily involved in a OECD-funded programme to revitalise agriculture in the Balkans post-conflict, but in AFG we'd have to deliver this while the fighting is still going on. I think there's limited scope for civvies to get involved and the Army Vet Services aren't exactly groaning at the seams with numbers.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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