Thread: Union Flag Badge is 'Offensive' says Met

Originally Posted by Recce19

This sort of shit pisses me off. Looking at the UK from outside, it would appear that the government, has done all it can to squash national pride. They need to get a grip, national pride has nothing to do with nationalism.

I live in Germany and there are national flags and symbols everywhere. Not just the German flag, but all countries and they are not complained about. Why is it only the Union Flag, that causes such a problem?

I believe the government should pass a law, stating that it is not illegal to display the national flag and that it is to be possitively encouraged; especially within areas dealing with the public. Maybe, as staed by an earlier poster, encorporating it into the uniform.

It is this bunch of communists that have caused the issue, they won't be happy until we are a mere province of Europe.

Bloodless genocide is an accurate description.

OH FOR FCUKS SAKE!

It is OUR frigging country!

It is OUR frigging flag.

If Johnny Foreigner doesnt like it - GO FCUKING HOME!

To the MET - start worrying about CRIME and less about the feelings of a bunch of TREE HUGGING, YOGHURT KNITTING, GUARDIAN READING, SANDAL WEARING HIPPIES.

Start arresting people and stop bowmng to pressure groups!

RANT COMPLETE. END OF MISSION, DEPRESSED TO FCUK!

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by western

Originally Posted by Werewolf

I'm sure you have had a glorious career in the Provisional Wing of Stonewall. But I would'nt trust you to run security at a Tescos on a Friday night.

Come back when you grow a pair, b1tch.

No I had a full Regular career with the Army. Now really try to understand what I first posted before getting all outraged, which is just about as low as grief whoring in my book.

The point I was making was not about the design of the badge, which is irrelevant, it was about Police Officers doing what they are told. The fundamental of discipline.

The Police and the Met in particular, think that they can pick and choose which instructions to obey, they also have their own interpretation of the law but that is another thread.

In a nutshell, if they defey their superiors they should be disciplined and if they continue they should be sacked.

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

The national flag is a unique emblem in that it suppsedly represents ALL of our citizens, it it supposed to be a symbol of unity.

The other badges you mention are partisan and therefore divisive labels.

How can your countries flag be deemed inappropriate or offensive?

I find the EU flag extremely offensive but that doesn't stop local councils flying the F*cking thing.

This is not the national flag it is a symbolic badge e.g. there is a specific meaning attached to it, one that we just happen to support, but other groups of police may wish to support something different - many put religion or family before country - you happy with a Star of David or a picture badge of little Joey. Cannot have it all ways.

A flag could be a standard part of the uniform which is something completely different, although its unlikely anyone would wonder what country our plod were from.

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

It is indeed a fair point. Completley nullified by the rainbow flag in support of gay pride, but still a fair point.
How can it be Force policy to display rainbow gay pride shite but offensive to display the union flag?

I agree.
Did they seek and gain permission, or was it another rebellious few?
Direct comparisions should be drawn.

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by western

Originally Posted by Werewolf

I'm sure you have had a glorious career in the Provisional Wing of Stonewall. But I would'nt trust you to run security at a Tescos on a Friday night.

Come back when you grow a pair, b1tch.

No I had a full Regular career with the Army. Now really try to understand what I first posted before getting all outraged, which is just about as low as grief whoring in my book.

The point I was making was not about the design of the badge, which is irrelevant, it was about Police Officers doing what they are told. The fundamental of discipline.

The Police and the Met in particular, think that they can pick and choose which instructions to obey, they also have their own interpretation of the law but that is another thread.

In a nutshell, if they defey their superiors they should be disciplined and if they continue they should be sacked.

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

The national flag is a unique emblem in that it suppsedly represents ALL of our citizens, it it supposed to be a symbol of unity.

The other badges you mention are partisan and therefore divisive labels.

How can your countries flag be deemed inappropriate or offensive?

I find the EU flag extremely offensive but that doesn't stop local councils flying the F*cking thing.

This is not the national flag it is a symbolic badge e.g. there is a specific meaning attached to it, one that we just happen to support, but other groups of police may wish to support something different - many put religion or family before country - you happy with a Star of David or a picture badge of little Joey. Cannot have it all ways.

A flag could be a standard part of the uniform which is something completely different, although its unlikely anyone would wonder what country our plod were from.

Ok, so police officers can wear headgear that displays their religion but Police officers cannot display a badge that shows support for their country and those fighting for it?

Why are foreign religious beliefs pandered to but not patriotic belief?

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by western

Originally Posted by Werewolf

I'm sure you have had a glorious career in the Provisional Wing of Stonewall. But I would'nt trust you to run security at a Tescos on a Friday night.

Come back when you grow a pair, b1tch.

No I had a full Regular career with the Army. Now really try to understand what I first posted before getting all outraged, which is just about as low as grief whoring in my book.

The point I was making was not about the design of the badge, which is irrelevant, it was about Police Officers doing what they are told. The fundamental of discipline.

The Police and the Met in particular, think that they can pick and choose which instructions to obey, they also have their own interpretation of the law but that is another thread.

In a nutshell, if they defey their superiors they should be disciplined and if they continue they should be sacked.

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

The national flag is a unique emblem in that it suppsedly represents ALL of our citizens, it it supposed to be a symbol of unity.

The other badges you mention are partisan and therefore divisive labels.

How can your countries flag be deemed inappropriate or offensive?

I find the EU flag extremely offensive but that doesn't stop local councils flying the F*cking thing.

This is not the national flag it is a symbolic badge e.g. there is a specific meaning attached to it, one that we just happen to support, but other groups of police may wish to support something different - many put religion or family before country - you happy with a Star of David or a picture badge of little Joey. Cannot have it all ways.

A flag could be a standard part of the uniform which is something completely different, although its unlikely anyone would wonder what country our plod were from.

Ok, so police officers can wear headgear that displays their religion but Police officers cannot display a badge that shows support for their country and those fighting for it?

Why are foreign religious beliefs pandered to but not patriotic belief?

I used to wear a Sex Pistols badge to school that was a Union Jack too...

You fail to make the distinction between symbolism and patriotism.

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

It is indeed a fair point. Completley nullified by the rainbow flag in support of gay pride, but still a fair point.
How can it be Force policy to display rainbow gay pride shite but offensive to display the union flag?

I agree.
Did they seek and gain permission, or was it another rebellious few?
Direct comparisions should be drawn.

In truth I don't know. If I find the time today I will endeavour to find out.
As far as I know the gay pride flag was official policy from the Met but as regards the Union Flag I presume it was down to inidividual officers.
It does seem odd that the Met should enforce support of gay pride and deny support for the Union Flag. Displaying the gay pride flag sets a precedent, if its alright to display that then why not the national flag?

I have a question for any serve or ex serving coppers, i believe each force would draw up and interpret its own dress regs! or an i completly wrong?

Also does ACPO 'just leave the cash on the night stand' * have more sway over the chief constables than say there individual forces and the communities the serve.

No wah too either just before i chuck my tuppence in...



*Im not a fan of as i suspect a broad spectrum of other people are neither

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

It is indeed a fair point. Completley nullified by the rainbow flag in support of gay pride, but still a fair point.
How can it be Force policy to display rainbow gay pride shite but offensive to display the union flag?

I agree.
Did they seek and gain permission, or was it another rebellious few?
Direct comparisions should be drawn.

In truth I don't know. If I find the time today I will endeavour to find out.
As far as I know the gay pride flag was official policy from the Met but as regards the Union Flag I presume it was down to inidividual officers.
It does seem odd that the Met should enforce support of gay pride and deny support for the Union Flag. Displaying the gay pride flag sets a precedent, if its alright to display that then why not the national flag?

I find the flying of any flag other than the Union flag stupid wrong and equaly offensive. We don't need nation flags either just the union...

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

It is indeed a fair point. Completley nullified by the rainbow flag in support of gay pride, but still a fair point.
How can it be Force policy to display rainbow gay pride shite but offensive to display the union flag?

I agree.
Did they seek and gain permission, or was it another rebellious few?
Direct comparisions should be drawn.

In truth I don't know. If I find the time today I will endeavour to find out.
As far as I know the gay pride flag was official policy from the Met but as regards the Union Flag I presume it was down to inidividual officers.
It does seem odd that the Met should enforce support of gay pride and deny support for the Union Flag. Displaying the gay pride flag sets a precedent, if its alright to display that then why not the national flag?

Not sure the Met "enforced" Gay Pride - I assume it was still optional?

I can only think that due procedure was not followed. If it was and the permission was not given, then there would be a case to answer.

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

It is indeed a fair point. Completley nullified by the rainbow flag in support of gay pride, but still a fair point.
How can it be Force policy to display rainbow gay pride shite but offensive to display the union flag?

I agree.
Did they seek and gain permission, or was it another rebellious few?
Direct comparisions should be drawn.

In truth I don't know. If I find the time today I will endeavour to find out.
As far as I know the gay pride flag was official policy from the Met but as regards the Union Flag I presume it was down to inidividual officers.
It does seem odd that the Met should enforce support of gay pride and deny support for the Union Flag. Displaying the gay pride flag sets a precedent, if its alright to display that then why not the national flag?

Not sure the Met "enforced" Gay Pride - I assume it was still optional?

I can only think that due procedure was not followed. If it was and the permission was not given, then there would be a case to answer.

A quick Google suggests that North Wales Police and part of the Met displaid gay pride flags until told to remove them. As I said, I'm not sure about the Met but I'm pretty sure that the raving loon Brunstrom endorsed it in North Wales.

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by western

Originally Posted by Werewolf

I'm sure you have had a glorious career in the Provisional Wing of Stonewall. But I would'nt trust you to run security at a Tescos on a Friday night.

Come back when you grow a pair, b1tch.

No I had a full Regular career with the Army. Now really try to understand what I first posted before getting all outraged, which is just about as low as grief whoring in my book.

The point I was making was not about the design of the badge, which is irrelevant, it was about Police Officers doing what they are told. The fundamental of discipline.

The Police and the Met in particular, think that they can pick and choose which instructions to obey, they also have their own interpretation of the law but that is another thread.

In a nutshell, if they defey their superiors they should be disciplined and if they continue they should be sacked.

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

The national flag is a unique emblem in that it suppsedly represents ALL of our citizens, it it supposed to be a symbol of unity.

The other badges you mention are partisan and therefore divisive labels.

How can your countries flag be deemed inappropriate or offensive?

I find the EU flag extremely offensive but that doesn't stop local councils flying the F*cking thing.

This is not the national flag it is a symbolic badge e.g. there is a specific meaning attached to it, one that we just happen to support, but other groups of police may wish to support something different - many put religion or family before country - you happy with a Star of David or a picture badge of little Joey. Cannot have it all ways.

A flag could be a standard part of the uniform which is something completely different, although its unlikely anyone would wonder what country our plod were from.

Ok, so police officers can wear headgear that displays their religion but Police officers cannot display a badge that shows support for their country and those fighting for it?

Why are foreign religious beliefs pandered to but not patriotic belief?

I used to wear a Sex Pistols badge to school that was a Union Jack too...

You fail to make the distinction between symbolism and patriotism.

Patriotic symbols are not offensive to any right minded citizen.

If someone does find them offensive then they have no love for this country. If they have no love for this country then they can f*ck off to which ever sh*thole they hail from.

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by western

Originally Posted by Werewolf

I'm sure you have had a glorious career in the Provisional Wing of Stonewall. But I would'nt trust you to run security at a Tescos on a Friday night.

Come back when you grow a pair, b1tch.

No I had a full Regular career with the Army. Now really try to understand what I first posted before getting all outraged, which is just about as low as grief whoring in my book.

The point I was making was not about the design of the badge, which is irrelevant, it was about Police Officers doing what they are told. The fundamental of discipline.

The Police and the Met in particular, think that they can pick and choose which instructions to obey, they also have their own interpretation of the law but that is another thread.

In a nutshell, if they defey their superiors they should be disciplined and if they continue they should be sacked.

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

The national flag is a unique emblem in that it suppsedly represents ALL of our citizens, it it supposed to be a symbol of unity.

The other badges you mention are partisan and therefore divisive labels.

How can your countries flag be deemed inappropriate or offensive?

I find the EU flag extremely offensive but that doesn't stop local councils flying the F*cking thing.

This is not the national flag it is a symbolic badge e.g. there is a specific meaning attached to it, one that we just happen to support, but other groups of police may wish to support something different - many put religion or family before country - you happy with a Star of David or a picture badge of little Joey. Cannot have it all ways.

A flag could be a standard part of the uniform which is something completely different, although its unlikely anyone would wonder what country our plod were from.

Ok, so police officers can wear headgear that displays their religion but Police officers cannot display a badge that shows support for their country and those fighting for it?

Why are foreign religious beliefs pandered to but not patriotic belief?

have you actually read the article or were you too busy cracking one off over pics of el gordo rimming mandelbum?
the headgear is to be worn by women when entering mosques to chat with elders
whether they be muslim, anglican, jew or worshippers of the great shaitan
it is not on par with the sikh turban as it not an article of religous faith
do give your head a wobble

Originally Posted by nebapneb

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by western

Originally Posted by Werewolf

I'm sure you have had a glorious career in the Provisional Wing of Stonewall. But I would'nt trust you to run security at a Tescos on a Friday night.

Come back when you grow a pair, b1tch.

No I had a full Regular career with the Army. Now really try to understand what I first posted before getting all outraged, which is just about as low as grief whoring in my book.

The point I was making was not about the design of the badge, which is irrelevant, it was about Police Officers doing what they are told. The fundamental of discipline.

The Police and the Met in particular, think that they can pick and choose which instructions to obey, they also have their own interpretation of the law but that is another thread.

In a nutshell, if they defey their superiors they should be disciplined and if they continue they should be sacked.

Fair point, one door for one equals many doors for many.
We would not want plod regaling themselves in RSPCA/CND/Gay Pride/Communist Stars or any other badges they choose, as it could also be perceived to impact their supposed impartiality.

The national flag is a unique emblem in that it suppsedly represents ALL of our citizens, it it supposed to be a symbol of unity.

The other badges you mention are partisan and therefore divisive labels.

How can your countries flag be deemed inappropriate or offensive?

I find the EU flag extremely offensive but that doesn't stop local councils flying the F*cking thing.

This is not the national flag it is a symbolic badge e.g. there is a specific meaning attached to it, one that we just happen to support, but other groups of police may wish to support something different - many put religion or family before country - you happy with a Star of David or a picture badge of little Joey. Cannot have it all ways.

A flag could be a standard part of the uniform which is something completely different, although its unlikely anyone would wonder what country our plod were from.

Ok, so police officers can wear headgear that displays their religion but Police officers cannot display a badge that shows support for their country and those fighting for it?

Why are foreign religious beliefs pandered to but not patriotic belief?

have you actually read the article or were you too busy cracking one off over pics of el gordo rimming mandelbum?
the headgear is to be worn by women when entering mosques to chat with elders
whether they be muslim, anglican, jew or worshippers of the great shaitan
it is not on par with the sikh turban as it not an article of religous faith
do give your head a wobble

If it is not an article of religious faith then why do they have to wear it?

The only headgear I want to see on the police when they enter a Mosque to"Talk" to the elders, is a riot helmet, complete with baton and shield.

Now thats what I call community policing!

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Man

If it is not an article of religious faith then why do they have to wear it?

The only headgear I want to see on the police when they enter a Mosque to"Talk" to the elders, is a riot helmet, complete with baton and shield.

Now thats what I call community policing!

You know what I like about you TCM?
You remind me that I'm actually quite liberal in my outlook :D