Originally Posted by tattybadger

Originally Posted by Nanuq

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Originally Posted by Nanuq

oh tatty you should know something, im the eldest of all my siblings

Don't tell me you're only 17?

In which case tell your siblings that they've a few years until they can pray at the love-altar of Tattybadger - until then, they'll have to moonwalk off down to LA

*luaghs a bit* no im 20

In which case I hope your mum had triplets and quadruplets (or one set of sevenduplets) in rapid succession else I'm heading for cinkety-clank.

born to different mothers

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Originally Posted by trowel

Mods. That muzzie crap at the end of the page offends me. Get shot please

Not sure about that - it's worth a squirt.

And Auld-Yin subscribes!

Auld Yin a Muzzie? Nooooooooooo, you lie. A subscriber to "Asian Babes" I can accept.

Originally Posted by Nanuq

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Originally Posted by Nanuq

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Originally Posted by Nanuq

oh tatty you should know something, im the eldest of all my siblings

Don't tell me you're only 17?

In which case tell your siblings that they've a few years until they can pray at the love-altar of Tattybadger - until then, they'll have to moonwalk off down to LA

*luaghs a bit* no im 20

In which case I hope your mum had triplets and quadruplets (or one set of sevenduplets) in rapid succession else I'm heading for cinkety-clank.

born to different mothers

Allhumdillalah - on that note I am off to the lord's wanking-chariot to consider their blessings.

I've no doubt I shall appear in the dreams of every female tonight. So much moistening to do and so little time to do it...........

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Originally Posted by dpcw

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Your brand has been equally vile!!

And it remains an archaic, misogynistic, homo-phobic,law-breaking org that counts criminals and terrorist in its ranks and preaches utter contempt for other beliefs.

Still better than the other one.

Both equally obnoxious, oppressive and banal if you are asking for a comparison.

Agree... that's religion for ya!

Originally Posted by DigitalGeek

Superstitious Claptrap! We inhabit a small insignificant rock, orbiting a dim insignificant sun. This in turn occupies a small cluster called the Local Group, which is tucked away on an outer spiral arm of a dim galaxy, one of millions, inhabiting a small corner of space. If GOD made all this, where the hell did he get his model kit from? Religion is balls! It serves only one purpose. To divide the population to the point where we end up blowing the arrse off each other. Makes my pyss boil just thinking that people can be so bloody stupid as to beleive in this tosh.

I was brought up as a Catholic and once I turned 16 (left home) I have never been back in a Catholic church. I have read the bible and just finished the Quran (reading the 50 books to read before you die) and have still not found a revelation that has lead me to believe anything other than religion and people is a piss poor mix leading to hatred and wars all the way since time began. Stating the bleeding obvious but hey ho........

Originally Posted by Napoleon_Bunnyparte

... has lead me to believe anything other than religion and people is a piss poor mix leading to hatred and wars all the way since time began. Stating the bleeding obvious but hey ho........

Religious leaders and state conspired... run by people seeking power. People exploiting other people.

Our inability to explore the subtle nuances of the 'faith debate' leave us with our convenient assumptions about the world solidly in place.

Throwing bricks at an inanimate label such as the word 'religion' says more about the brick-thrower than the subject of debate.

Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker

Our inability to explore the subtle nuances of the 'faith debate' leave us with our convenient assumptions about the world solidly in place.

Throwing bricks at an inanimate label such as the word 'religion' says more about the brick-thrower than the subject of debate.

Bricks should be thrown at it regularly iot stimulate thought and debate - otherhwise we'd settle into a complacent lethargy about it, content to believe what we're told, rather than to allow the freedom of questioning tha emancipates the mind.

And who says we can't explore the subtle nuances of faith debates? That exploration sees a resurgence of the debate and, for the first time in the last couple of millenia, a strong atheist trend, which has looked at those debates and rejected them through questioning blind faith's validity.

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker

Our inability to explore the subtle nuances of the 'faith debate' leave us with our convenient assumptions about the world solidly in place.

Throwing bricks at an inanimate label such as the word 'religion' says more about the brick-thrower than the subject of debate.

Bricks should be thrown at it regularly iot stimulate thought and debate - otherhwise we'd settle into a complacent lethargy about it, content to believe what we're told, rather than to allow the freedom of questioning tha emancipates the mind.

And who says we can't explore the subtle nuances of faith debates? That exploration sees a resurgence of the debate and, for the first time in the last couple of millenia, a strong atheist trend, which has looked at those debates and rejected them through questioning blind faith's validity.

I am not aware of the Christian faith being ‘blind’, although clearly the Christian religion has been; research shows most adherents to Christ (Christians if we must) in free liberal socities have made their decisions over many years after much thought; it’s not a knee-jerk decision but one of careful reasoned deliberation.

The Greek word for Jesus is Logos; Logos means reason. The birth of science and the Renaissance came about by a determination by those with faith to knobble Christendom and its religious bigotry. That was the mission of Christ, to knobble the church and its man-made power structures.

The Roman Church of the subsequent 1500 years was a continuation of the Pharisees who had had Jesus killed. Jesus the radical had fought for freedom on every level; the serfdom of Roman Europe was broken by an ideological battle akin to Jesus’ challenge to the Pharisees and Rome. Of course political freedom is one thing but personal liberation is beyond the law of the land. These subtle distinctions are lost in our poor teaching of history and our fashionable injustice to lump together people of conviction with people of religion. Two violently different groups.

Interesting final comment.

If faith is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence, then one has to follow blindly in order to have it.

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Interesting final comment.

If faith is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence, then one has to follow blindly in order to have it.

Suitably brilliant question, if not the heart of the issue; If we 'see' only with logic or material evidence then we would cease to function. We have evidence that our car brakes functioned yesterday but we do not 'know' for sure they will function today. But we place faith that they are quite likely to function. We cannot see our brakes whilst driving and they might fail but more often than not we're rewarded for our 'belief' as we've travelled further and seen more and done more by virtue of our commitment to the notion. But we don't know absolutely.

We see the world around us and know and sense its beauty and brilliance and conceive that compared to the bleak nothingness of the moon surface that something quite extraordinary is at work, relatively speaking. Our reason suggests creativity, imagination, love and other qualities that are at odds with randomness. Exercising these qualities ourselves is fruitful in our lives whereas not exercising them isn't.

The message of love, imagination, creativity, mercy et al speaks directly into our condition, it rewards us in our relationships, it enriches them. Messages of 'nothing' says 'nothing'; it doesn't have anything to say in our situation, it is actionless. Love et al is not material, but its evidence is everywhere. But our reason suggests that the urgency of life, its inexorable desire to sustain, and replicate, and create has no logical source in 'accident', but is more readily explained by 'purpose'.

If you're looking for 'love' and its like (God) in a test-tube, coloured blue, then the experiment's methodology is wrong. Its evidence is elsewhere, but nonetheless 'true'. 'To love' isn't logical of course. If you do it to serve yourself, in a Darwinian sense, it isn't love etc. Thankfully this is a separate debate from religious observence.