Thread: Justice - Russian Style

"Stanislav Markelov, the lawyer for the family of a Chechen teenager killed by a Russian army colonel, was murdered in Moscow yesterday after holding a press conference in which he criticised the officer's early release. Colonel Yuri Budanov was the first Russian officer charged for crimes committed during the Chechen wars. He killed 18-year-old Elza Kungayeva during an interrogation in 2000, and was convicted and sentenced to ten years' imprisonment in July 2005. On Thursday, Budanov left prison after a local court granted his early release request. Budanov's case has become a lightning rod for both Chechen and Russian nationalists, the latter asserting that his conviction was designed to appease the Chechen authorities. Anastasia Baburova was also killed yesterday; she was a freelance writer for the liberal Novaya Gazeta newspaper, and while she was standing near Markelov at the time of the shooting, it does not appear that she was specifically targeted for assassination"

It would appear that criticizing the Authorities in Russia carries the death sentence

Originally Posted by rickshaw-major

"Stanislav Markelov, the lawyer for the family of a Chechen teenager killed by a Russian army colonel, was murdered in Moscow yesterday after holding a press conference in which he criticised the officer's early release. Colonel Yuri Budanov was the first Russian officer charged for crimes committed during the Chechen wars. He killed 18-year-old Elza Kungayeva during an interrogation in 2000, and was convicted and sentenced to ten years' imprisonment in July 2005. On Thursday, Budanov left prison after a local court granted his early release request. Budanov's case has become a lightning rod for both Chechen and Russian nationalists, the latter asserting that his conviction was designed to appease the Chechen authorities. Anastasia Baburova was also killed yesterday; she was a freelance writer for the liberal Novaya Gazeta newspaper, and while she was standing near Markelov at the time of the shooting, it does not appear that she was specifically targeted for assassination"

It would appear that criticizing the Authorities in Russia carries the death sentence

Yep. Just like the Glory Days. :P

Originally Posted by Ruckerwocman

Originally Posted by rickshaw-major

"Stanislav Markelov, the lawyer for the family of a Chechen teenager killed by a Russian army colonel, was murdered in Moscow yesterday after holding a press conference in which he criticised the officer's early release. Colonel Yuri Budanov was the first Russian officer charged for crimes committed during the Chechen wars. He killed 18-year-old Elza Kungayeva during an interrogation in 2000, and was convicted and sentenced to ten years' imprisonment in July 2005. On Thursday, Budanov left prison after a local court granted his early release request. Budanov's case has become a lightning rod for both Chechen and Russian nationalists, the latter asserting that his conviction was designed to appease the Chechen authorities. Anastasia Baburova was also killed yesterday; she was a freelance writer for the liberal Novaya Gazeta newspaper, and while she was standing near Markelov at the time of the shooting, it does not appear that she was specifically targeted for assassination"

It would appear that criticizing the Authorities in Russia carries the death sentence

Yep. Just like the Glory Days. :P

He the man

Originally Posted by rickshaw-major

Originally Posted by Ruckerwocman

Originally Posted by rickshaw-major

"Stanislav Markelov, the lawyer for the family of a Chechen teenager killed by a Russian army colonel, was murdered in Moscow yesterday after holding a press conference in which he criticised the officer's early release. Colonel Yuri Budanov was the first Russian officer charged for crimes committed during the Chechen wars. He killed 18-year-old Elza Kungayeva during an interrogation in 2000, and was convicted and sentenced to ten years' imprisonment in July 2005. On Thursday, Budanov left prison after a local court granted his early release request. Budanov's case has become a lightning rod for both Chechen and Russian nationalists, the latter asserting that his conviction was designed to appease the Chechen authorities. Anastasia Baburova was also killed yesterday; she was a freelance writer for the liberal Novaya Gazeta newspaper, and while she was standing near Markelov at the time of the shooting, it does not appear that she was specifically targeted for assassination"

It would appear that criticizing the Authorities in Russia carries the death sentence

Yep. Just like the Glory Days. :P

He the man

Brown would agree!

But...Stalin or Putin? There's only one way to settle this...FIGHT!!!

Originally Posted by rickshaw-major

"Stanislav Markelov, the lawyer for the family of a Chechen teenager killed by a Russian army colonel, was murdered in Moscow yesterday after holding a press conference in which he criticised the officer's early release. Colonel Yuri Budanov was the first Russian officer charged for crimes committed during the Chechen wars. He killed 18-year-old Elza Kungayeva during an interrogation in 2000, and was convicted and sentenced to ten years' imprisonment in July 2005. On Thursday, Budanov left prison after a local court granted his early release request. Budanov's case has become a lightning rod for both Chechen and Russian nationalists, the latter asserting that his conviction was designed to appease the Chechen authorities. Anastasia Baburova was also killed yesterday; she was a freelance writer for the liberal Novaya Gazeta newspaper, and while she was standing near Markelov at the time of the shooting, it does not appear that she was specifically targeted for assassination"

It would appear that criticizing the Authorities in Russia carries the death sentence

It is a mysterious killing. The lawyer was not a critic of Russian government in any way. He never made political statements. He did his work and was paid for it. He had many cases (not only one about the killing of the Chechen lass). Some his clients were connected to big money.

The killing was something outstanding because it happened in the centre of Moscow, during broad daylight. Professional killers try to avoid such a situation. The Prosecutor General said that the killing is under his supervision. Reportedly all forces were mobilised to disclose the crime as soon as possible. This part of Moscow contains a lot of video-cams. The killer was in the mask but the police is no doubt aware what direction he moved. Maybe he took off his mask and the police has his photo.

Personally I believe that the killer was not a professional and it is quite possible that he in turn has been killed by the organisers. Who are they? Only God knows.

There was another killing last years. The first deputy head of the Central Bank was killed. The killers were not professionals. Recently a banker mr.Frenkel was sentenced as an organiser of the killing.

Originally Posted by "KGB_resident

It is a mysterious killing. The lawyer was not a critic of Russian government in any way. He never made political statements. He did his work and was paid for it. He had many cases (not only one about the killing of the Chechen lass). Some his clients were connected to big money.

The killing was something outstanding because it happened in the centre of Moscow, during broad daylight. Professional killers try to avoid such a situation. The Prosecutor General said that the killing is under his supervision. Reportedly all forces were mobilised to disclose the crime as soon as possible. This part of Moscow contains a lot of video-cams. The killer was in the mask but the police is no doubt aware what direction he moved. Maybe he took off his mask and the police has his photo.

Personally I believe that the killer was not a professional and it is quite possible that he in turn has been killed by the organisers. Who are they? Only God knows.

There was another load killing last years. The first deputy head of the Central Bank was killed. The killers were not professionals. Recently a banker mr.Frenkel was sentenced as an organiser of the killing.

Interesting post, KGB_R, any idea of whom the 'organisers' may be?

Why do want to know who they are KevinB?

Want to congratulate them on a bit of terrorism? After all as a terrorist supporter you must approve of this sort of thing because you were willing to spend plenty of time raising money to pay for murder.

Originally Posted by Ruckerwocman

Yep. Just like the Glory Days. :P

Nothing ever really changes, it's an odd country. My parents both studied in Russia so we have family friends there and one of them worked for one of the British Council offices that was closed down after the Russians spat their dummies out. After leaving him jobless, the authorities kindly offered him a couple of days work driving some foreign visitors on the strict condition that he extolled the virtues of Putin the whole way. Weird.

Originally Posted by Pamplemousse

driving some foreign visitors on the strict condition that he extolled the virtues of Putin the whole way. Weird.

Oh, please!

An old adage of those who want to emigrate and want to do it at the expense of gullible Westerners. Did your friend ask you to help him escape the oppressive Putin's regime yet?

At least have a look at the list of the parties opposing Putin, or consider the very existence of Echo Moskow and that odious toad Novodvorskaya!
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/a...odvorskaya.jpg

No, he's 50-odd with a grown-up family and a nice little apartment now fully kitted out from IKEA! Let the good times roll. I'm sure if he ever wanted to get out he would have done by now, although I don't know what they're doing for money these days.

To be fair, I would literally believe any story of corruption I hear coming out of Russia. Firstly because I love the gossip and secondly because it's probably true.

Originally Posted by Pamplemousse

No, he's 50-odd with a grown-up family and a nice little apartment now fully kitted out from IKEA! Let the good times roll. I'm sure if he ever wanted to get out he would have done by now, although I don't know what they're doing for money these days.

To be fair, I would literally believe any story of corruption I hear coming out of Russia. Firstly because I love the gossip and secondly because it's probably true.

Corruption, yes, aplenty. But you were talking of political oppression. :D

Originally Posted by KevinB

Interesting post, KGB_R, any idea of whom the 'organisers' may be?

The killer was no doubt a professional. He used gun with noise suppressor. But he was not a professional killer (their style is different).

As a rule professional killers use a car to leave but in this case the killer just walked to the nearest Metro station being well aware that each one is under intesive video supervision. He wore off his mask. So his face was no doubt filmed. Likely he has changed his appearence significantly.

Two bullets were found (also a young woman - journalist was killed, she tried to detain the killer). But cartriges were not found. There is a suggestion that the killer used bag co collect them. The gun has not been found as well. As a rule professional killers throw weapons away as soon as possible.

I suppose he belonged (belongs?) to the military and maybe even now is an officer from Special Police unit (OMON).

2 years ago the killed lawyer took part in the trial where an officer form Siberian OMON was sentenced for 10.5 years. The officer allegedly tortured a Chechen man in 2001 and the man missed (his whereabout is unknown still now).

The lawyer in many case defended (very successfullly) interests of Chechens and was paid for it (allegedly from foreign funds, including Saudi ones).

So it could be a revenge and the killer could make it for personal reasons.

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Originally Posted by KevinB

Interesting post, KGB_R, any idea of whom the 'organisers' may be?

The killer was no doubt a professional. He used gun with noise suppressor. But he was not a professional killer (their style is different).

As a rule professional killers use a car to leave but in this case the killer just walked to the nearest Metro station being well aware that each one is under intesive video supervision. He wore off his mask. So his face was no doubt filmed. Likely he has changed his appearence significantly.

Two bullets were found (also a young woman - journalist was killed, she tried to detain the killer). But cartriges were not found. There is a suggestion that the killer used bag co collect them. The gun has not been found as well. As a rule professional killers throw weapons away as soon as possible.

I suppose he belonged (belongs?) to the military and maybe even now is an officer from Special Police unit (OMON).

2 years ago the killed lawyer took part in the trial where an officer form Siberian OMON was sentenced for 10.5 years. The officer allegedly tortured a Chechen man in 2001 and the man missed (his whereabout is unknown still now).

The lawyer in many case defended (very successfullly) interests of Chechens and was paid for it (allegedly from foreign funds, including Saudi ones).

So it could be a revenge and the killer could make it for personal reasons.

Thank you for filling in the gaps, KBG-R. So, in your opinion, do you think this killer will ever be found and brought to justice or not?