jayBS

there was no need for your comment, accept others may think different from You, I am only stating fact and truth, as is the above from the report issued.

There actually was a need for my comment. When you said earlier that McCain was "found guilty" you were lying about McCain. Clearly you know that he was cleared by the Ethics Committee which found that at the worst he had shown "poor judgement" yet you chose to say "found guilty" which implies criminal conduct. You were not stating fact and truth at all, you were lying.

By the way, I have nothing to do with McCain's campaign and may not vote for him. I am still upset with his treatment of a friend of mine at his Senate confirmation hearing. I do however have enough respect for the members of this forum to be upset when someone deliberately posts lies.

Originally Posted by PartTimePongo

Yeah because the Clinton era absolutely crippled America didn't it Gallowglass. FFS.

Well PTP, the Clinton era corrupted the body politic, debased the Presidency, ushered in poisonous and illogical Political Correctness at national level, and by way of Clinton's soft power foreign policy gave the impression that the United States was weak...certain people of a jihadist inclination were paying close attention to this weakness, which they later capitalised on. As an aside, it also crippled the Democratic Party, whose most credible candidate in 2004 was...John Kerry (well, I suppose it could have been Howard Dean).

Please don't tell me you are blaming the Bush Administration for the global financial meltdown along with everything else. Perhaps this article might alter your opinion? (though I doubt it)

http://www.spectator.co.uk/archive/f...October%202008

DavidBOC

I'm sorry but McCain was found Guilty of Poor Judgement, as stated in the report, he admitted it himself, and to make matters worse as has now been revealed in the last week, his second and current wife Cindy continued that business relationship with Charles Keating Jnr after McCain had clearly stated he has broken all ties! - Serving in The Military once stood and meant "Honour" - if these actions are not Guilt, I am not sure what are.

You never replied to the comment I made about your childish misuse of my my name! - I many not agree with your opinion and I definitely don't agree with the rant from Gallowglass, but I am not offensive against you.

Originally Posted by ABrighter2006

Must be a common strand, I seem to recall Bill Clinton's wife describing to an enthralled media, how she avoided sniper fire on arrival in Bosnia not that long ago. Politicians, gotta love 'em.

Ah yes, the battle of Hilary. I remember the conference call, the US COS was so brave and understated as he remarked that it was "Another beautiful day in the Tuzla valley with nothing special to report."

Originally Posted by jaybs

...I many not agree with your opinion and I definitely don't agree with the rant from Gallowglass, but I am not offensive against you.

Care to engage in a debate on the points I raised, or would you rather content yourself with dismissing them as a 'rant'? It strikes me that many of those who support Obama and oppose McCain (not necessarily one and the same thing) are content to rule certain subjects and arguments as beyond the pale of discussion.

Linguistics note:
Roughly translated, "Nguyen Tien Tran " means "Orenthal James Simpson ",
the slang version being "Untrustworthy Lying B'stard".

Saw a very informative CNN docu on Macca recently. They showed black-and-white footage of him being interviewed while in captivity. He was obviously in a great deal of distress, think he had dysentry or something at the time. His fellow captives also testified about how he kept their morale up by banging on the wall and stuff so I don't think it can be disputed that he went through a pretty horrendous time.

OTOH I doubt he was beaten up every day for five years either as some seem to think. Of course it could be argued that simply being incarcerated in those conditions was a form of torture in itself.

He didn't have a particularly distinguished military career though. He graduated 5th from bottom in his class and crashed several jets. Once even took off without bothering to read vital pre-flight info. There's a fine line between being a maverick and being reckless...I doubt those sort of antics would get you very far up the career ladder these days. No doubt being the son and grandson of admirals helped..

[quote="ABrighter2006"]Must be a common strand, I seem to recall Bill Clinton's wife describing to an enthralled media, how she avoided sniper fire on arrival in Bosnia not that long ago. Politicians, gotta love 'em.

As much as The Guardian has shone a light on this, maybe the McCain campaign team, might like to put up, or shut up, on the "Obama terrorist connection" - less then three weeks to go, what next a sex scandal or two?![/quote]

More likely an attack on Iran. Or a nice, juicy terrorist Spectacular...

Originally Posted by ashie

Originally Posted by LEGZ30

Originally Posted by Grownup_Rafbrat

Originally Posted by LEGZ30

Doubt whether there will be a sex scandal. I reckon Obamas connections to widespread electoral fraud should be enough.

Well it took Dubya all the way to the White House. And what's sauce for the goose..

Even Bush wasn't involved with an organisation registering fake voters http://www.youtube.com/watch?vRhrT22BsIY . I read somewhere else that thanks to Acorn 105% of those eligible to vote are now registered in Indianapolis.

Acorn? Isn't that the organisation which McCain used to support but now attacks when politically convenient?

Miami, Florida – February 20, 2006 ― Leaders from a diverse array of sectors will hold a rally in Miami on Thursday, February 23, 2006, ........

The rally will feature Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as the headline speaker.......

The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN......

FAIL!!

ACORN is a liberal democrat activist organization. Why would McCain be a featured speaker at a democrat rally?

Do you have links to the "article" you are quoting?

Originally Posted by gallowglass

Originally Posted by PartTimePongo

Yeah because the Clinton era absolutely crippled America didn't it Gallowglass. FFS.

Well PTP, the Clinton era corrupted the body politic, debased the Presidency, ushered in poisonous and illogical Political Correctness at national level, and by way of Clinton's soft power foreign policy gave the impression that the United States was weak...certain people of a jihadist inclination were paying close attention to this weakness, which they later capitalised on. As an aside, it also crippled the Democratic Party, whose most credible candidate in 2004 was...John Kerry (well, I suppose it could have been Howard Dean).

Please don't tell me you are blaming the Bush Administration for the global financial meltdown along with everything else. Perhaps this article might alter your opinion? (though I doubt it)

http://www.spectator.co.uk/archive/f...October%202008

Well, no more than the Nixon administration did with Watergate, Reagan with Iran-Contra (Reagan pulled the 'Vinnie the Chin' defence, ie, he effectively claimed mental incompetence) and George W Bush with... well, where to even begin?*

*I guess that being the Veep's bitch would be a useful start....