Not actually been part of a training team, but have been involved in training at unit level, for the more inexperienced members not long out of training.

Originally Posted by WO2.Ghandi

If your, well intentioned, robust encouragement is perceived by the the recipient as abuse and even though they are trying their best they are distracted from concentrating on learning by the anticipation of more abuse you will have failed in that duty of care.

So here we go with the old perception debate, maybe the NCO's who are facing these allegations perceived that they were helping these poor downtrodden, hard done by recruits to see the error of their ways, maybe they were demonstrating the harsh realities of making mistakes within regimental life. Maybe....

What you must admit is the whole sorry way the BBC has gone out to undermine the Army is deplorable, on every level.

Ask those who have succesfully passed through basic training succesfully whether a clip round the ear helped them to concentrate and rectify mistakes! I know it helped me.

Now lets get off or PC soap boxes and remember where we are and what we do...

Originally Posted by hammy123

Originally Posted by ABrighter2006

As an observation to the pizzing contest going on here - it would be very interesting to know, just how many of the posters doing the armchair training standards and validation, have ever served on such a training team?

Me thank you very much. You can call me staff if you like

ditto

Originally Posted by hammy123

Originally Posted by ABrighter2006

As an observation to the pizzing contest going on here - it would be very interesting to know, just how many of the posters doing the armchair training standards and validation, have ever served on such a training team?

Me thank you very much. You can call me staff if you like

and you can beat me senseless whenever you want Hammy! :D

My point was that the "understanding" of what is involved in training pers for pretty much guaranteed operational tours, seems to be pretty thin on the ground here. I don't subscibe to the "Having a bad day? then smack a recruit senseless" rhetoric, but some of the posters here, need a reality check - you're not training these recruits to sit in your call-centre, or sit behind a check-out.

Does that make sense Staff?

Originally Posted by ABrighter2006

Originally Posted by hammy123

Originally Posted by ABrighter2006

As an observation to the pizzing contest going on here - it would be very interesting to know, just how many of the posters doing the armchair training standards and validation, have ever served on such a training team?

Me thank you very much. You can call me staff if you like

and you can beat me senseless whenever you want Hammy! :D

My point was that the "understanding" of what is involved in training pers for pretty much guaranteed operational tours, seems to be pretty thin on the ground here. I don't subscibe to the "Having a bad day? then smack a recruit senseless" rhetoric, but some of the posters here, need a reality check - you're not training these recruits to sit in your call-centre, or sit behind a check-out.

Does that make sense Staff?

I agree entirely. Training cadets is not training soldiers, some contributors can't seem to see the difference between a youth organisation and a war fighting Army.

...and I hope you had your heals together when you said that ;)

AB

Makes a little sense.

No one in my unit beat recruits, under normal circumstances there was simply no need as you average recruit would learn by the lessons taught to him by the team. When the wheels came off there were tried and tested ways and means to discipline people, extra PT, show parades, jail, extra PT and generally fckuking them about a bit. We had more flexibility than they do now, no phones, no NAAFI, no mail etc etc which these days would not be acceptable (bearing in mind Im talking about the mid 90's when I was a training screw) Instances of NCO's and recruits coming to blows were isolated and rare, but sometimes did happen BUT WERE NOT THE NORM. The thing people need to remember, this was training and we were aiming to send a decent person back to the regiment whilst getting rid of the crap. Discipline in the regiments is a lot harder and we would reiterate this fact to recruits that its not all over once they walk out the doors of the depot. Recruits would also discipline themselves and each other, where one section had a mong in it, the section would usually grip him and get him back on track, and yes some of the methods were beyond the manual. Is this bullying? People need to realise that its a hard life and sometimes people lose it, if an NCO was on the lash downtown and a gobby recruit chucked his mits, would the NCO still be a bully if he slapped him? I saw this in Catterick when an NCO was out with his missus and some gobby crow started on him.

Its not the boy scouts and in some cases, some recruits need some extra coaching to the errors of there ways.

I await the RMP to come and nab me now.

Whilst I was a cadet in the early 80's, there was an AI who used to stick a needle into you when you were in the scoff Q. Can I now sue for bullying? claims direct, here I come.

May be that's why there a simple rules like "Don't hit recruits". Saves a lot of confusion over perception.

It still seems like there's a lot on here who have preconceptions that you can't countenance as possibly being wrong in any way.

"Once we've set off the mines and unleashed the greatest artillery barrage in history there'll scarcely be a Jerry left on the Somme willing to put up a fight"

Trust me I know how wrong I can be, just ask the missus.......

Any chance that you could countenance yourself being wrong???

Originally Posted by ABrighter2006

Originally Posted by hammy123

Originally Posted by ABrighter2006

As an observation to the pizzing contest going on here - it would be very interesting to know, just how many of the posters doing the armchair training standards and validation, have ever served on such a training team?

Me thank you very much. You can call me staff if you like

and you can beat me senseless whenever you want Hammy! :D

My point was that the "understanding" of what is involved in training pers for pretty much guaranteed operational tours, seems to be pretty thin on the ground here. I don't subscibe to the "Having a bad day? then smack a recruit senseless" rhetoric, but some of the posters here, need a reality check - you're not training these recruits to sit in your call-centre, or sit behind a check-out.

Does that make sense Staff?

Totally

However one or two posters also seem to be unable too grasp either the underlying issues regarding what was done to make this program and see them of no importance! they also seem not too understand that no one currently serving and many as my self who are now out! Condone Bullying either.

They also seem unwilling to accept the point that percentage wise 5 individuals given the size of ATR's is a drop in the ocean, one may say 5 is to many but we are talking about the real world not some utopian society were bad people never exist.


edited for gopping diction spelling and typos