Thread: The Undercover Soldier - BBC1

Originally Posted by spike7451

Originally Posted by hammy123

Originally Posted by Recce19

And the bizzare thing, is that I have come across more workplace bullying SINCE I left the army.

I'll second that one.

Agreed!!!
And sometimes I feel like giving my civvie 'workmates' a shoeing!!

just out of curiousity what jobs do you guys have?

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

My daughter used to tell me she had tidied her bedroom up. The actual evidence suggested the opposite.

The recruits claimed various wrong doings by the DS but until an official enquiry has been concluded, all the prog has brought out is pretty much what has already been mentioned.

Its nice to see that you and WO GhandiCadetWarrior are trying to add some balance to the whole thing but the weight of evidence from the program suggests that virtually nothing has been proven. The fact that some DS are under investigation is indicative that the system does work when a claim is made. Until the results are found, you and your cadet love child are making a huge leap of faith surrounding the DS and whatever events actually took place. You are relying on what a few young, fairly immature recruits are claiming as opposed to taking the whole thing into context. That context being the original mission statement of the program; Does the Army still have a culture of bullying since Deepcut? Whats your answer on that?

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

When I was in training a short fat smelly specky 16 year old said that he had slept with over 50 women.
We all believed him without question.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

When I was in training a short fat smelly specky 16 year old said that he had slept with over 50 women.
We all believed him without question.

I have mate.. honest.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

When I was in training a short fat smelly specky 16 year old said that he had slept with over 50 women.
We all believed him without question.

Did he introduce you to all 50? Because the recruits were more than willing to show the injuries they sustained.

Originally Posted by Thunderer

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

When I was in training a short fat smelly specky 16 year old said that he had slept with over 50 women.
We all believed him without question.

Did he introduce you to all 50? Because the recruits were more than willing to show the injuries they sustained.

Wel he could have pointed out 50 random birds on face book. I could say the scar on my leg is not in fact a childhood injury but a taliban knife wound from when I served with the SAS.

Originally Posted by Thunderer

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

When I was in training a short fat smelly specky 16 year old said that he had slept with over 50 women.
We all believed him without question.

Did he introduce you to all 50? Because the recruits were more than willing to show the injuries they sustained.

I agree with thunderer here..

I do think there is still recruits being hit around if they cock up but I'm still to do basic training and I don't think it will do me much harm. It'll just make me more careful about not messing up.

Originally Posted by Thunderer

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

When I was in training a short fat smelly specky 16 year old said that he had slept with over 50 women.
We all believed him without question.

Did he introduce you to all 50? Because the recruits were more than willing to show the injuries they sustained.

Those injuries?.................I got worse than that on a mud run, as a 14 year old on a school adventure trip

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

My bold, I'm not condoning the recruit being punched. However he was obviously a lying little scrote. Has anyone here ever had their cannister just fall off while they were wearing it?

Maybe it fell off for no apparent reason then disappeared into thin air. Or maybe he messed up and forgot it then didn't have the bottle to admit to having fucked up. He then chose to lie to his instructor several times and give him a load of attitude when challenged.

Originally Posted by spaz

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

My bold, I'm not condoning the recruit being punched. However he was obviously a lying little scrote. Has anyone here ever had their cannister just fall off while they were wearing it?

Maybe it fell off for no apparent reason then disappeared into thin air. Or maybe he messed up and forgot it then didn't have the bottle to admit to having fucked up. He then chose to lie to his instructor several times and give him a load of attitude when challenged.

And of course if he lied to an instructor he might well lie to our mate sharp.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by spaz

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

My bold, I'm not condoning the recruit being punched. However he was obviously a lying little scrote. Has anyone here ever had their cannister just fall off while they were wearing it?

Maybe it fell off for no apparent reason then disappeared into thin air. Or maybe he messed up and forgot it then didn't have the bottle to admit to having fucked up. He then chose to lie to his instructor several times and give him a load of attitude when challenged.

And of course if he lied to an instructor he might well lie to our mate sharp.

I don't doubt he got a little dig mate. I just hope it made him stop and think before spouting shite again. Like a few of these cases of "abuse" highlighted, it occurred after a recruit fucked up then gave the DS attitude after being gripped. Another one being the incident with the LMG outside the armoury. These lads need it hammered home not to fuck about where weapons are concerned.

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

The thing is though that Pte Sharp was there for about 6 months and what actual real evidence of bullying in the army did he produce? Nothing but hearsay. When someone makes a complaint the instructors are suspended and investigated.

The reporter joined up with an agenda, lied at his oath and lied to get out, just how much weight does his word have? Not much with me. Considering the actions taken against the guys complained about I would say the programme shows that the army does not allow bullying yet the argument from the BBC gives the impression that it is widespread and condoned.

Very bad journalism IMO.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Thunderer

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Thunderer

That is what you have come away from the programme with is it?

You didn't see the guy who misplaced his respirator canister stating that the corporal had struck him hard enough to cause bleeding. You didn't see the recruit saying he was knocked to the floor and received an injury whilst trying to protect himself from a downward blow from the corporals elbow. Indeed one of the recruits (it might have been the bloke I just mentioned) said something to the effect of 'this wasn't something I heard, it was something I felt'.

Perhaps you fell asleep whilst watching it.

When I was in training a short fat smelly specky 16 year old said that he had slept with over 50 women.
We all believed him without question.

Did he introduce you to all 50? Because the recruits were more than willing to show the injuries they sustained.

Wel he could have pointed out 50 random birds on face book. I could say the scar on my leg is not in fact a childhood injury but a taliban knife wound from when I served with the SAS.

Fcuk me I didn't realsie the Taliban had got an under water knife fighting section! must have been a hard tour mate, now get the beers in and I'll pull up a sand bag.

As a Plt Sgt I was appalled at the standard of crow being allowed to pass through depot. When I later worked at a depot I was even more appalled to find that mongs that should've been binned were being rubber-stamped & considered 'trained soldiers' because of the numbers game.

The first time I man-handled one of these clowns was when he left vital electronic equipment on a loading bay seconds before boarding a chopper, endangering our patrol for its entire duration once the chopper dropped us into our designated hot-spot.

My point being (for the cadets & wannabees) is that there's a fine line between bullying & educating; those that have done the Brecons (Jr/Sr) and/or an operational tour as a commander may appreciate the above yet until recruiting numbers improve I doubt if we'll see any changes.

Originally Posted by armr617

does anyone know where I can watch this? is it going to be rerun?
cant access iplayer as I'm out in germany,
I would like to get an informed opinion on this, from what I have read, I hink its outrageous, but I'd like to see it

there you go, enjoy.. yawn:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...ver-soldier-13