Thread: The Undercover Soldier - BBC1

Originally Posted by whitbycrab

Ok, I retract that, I was wrong. But, to reiterate what I have said, in the training environment it is unfair to put UNDUE pressure on a recruit and expect him to achieve his full potential. Yes, people can and do achieve their full potential under extreme pressure.

If he can't handle pressure in training he will last days in a warzone. Thats what the Infantry do if you forgot. Soft kids don't close with the enemy.

Originally Posted by whitbycrab

Ok, I retract that, I was wrong. But, to reiterate what I have said, in the training environment it is unfair to put UNDUE pressure on a recruit and expect him to achieve his full potential. Yes, people can and do achieve their full potential under extreme pressure.

Thir not training to be tree hugging, baked bean eating, wooly jumper wearing, I'm goona save the planet on my own Dave Angels.
Their being trained to go to a war zone and do the frigging obvious.

Originally Posted by whitbycrab

Ok, I retract that, I was wrong. But, to reiterate what I have said, in the training environment it is unfair to put UNDUE pressure on a recruit and expect him to achieve his full potential. Yes, people can and do achieve their full potential under extreme pressure.

And what is undue pressure?So when recruit mongo fecks up on the range and slots somebody are you going to hug him and wipe his eyes or look at him harshly and tut?
Weapons training is a serious buisness and recruits should be under no illusions about how serious it is.
If he feels pressured then he`s focused on not fcuking up

Originally Posted by whitbycrab

Ok, I retract that, I was wrong. But, to reiterate what I have said, in the training environment it is unfair to put UNDUE pressure on a recruit and expect him to achieve his full potential. Yes, people can and do achieve their full potential under extreme pressure.

It's not as if Terry's going to put them under any extreme pressure is it?

R5 : "on the ranges a corporal hit her on her helmet"

does someone need to point out to the public that pointy things come out of guns and discipline is need or bad things happen, people remember mistakes if they're firmly corrected.

To quote Jean Luc Picard, Facepalm.

Did anyone hear the woman on 5live then who apparently left beacuse of racism??

LOL what a muppet

What utter Bollox, I liked the bit about a Cpl, maybe a,b or c banging recruits helmets together, were they actually wearing them, if they were surely he would have said banged their heads together

He had to strip naked for a medical? what did he expect, the typical NHS GP, "How are you feeling, Oh, well heres a prescription, NEXT"

A waste of License Payers Money, he should be brought back in and given a lesson in Military Discipline

I hope any members of Joe Pubic watching this take it as it is, Never believe what a Journo writes

Cheers for the link guys, here's my complaint;

"As a serving member of the Armed Forces, I am appalled at the standard of 'journalism' on display tonight. The so called 'bullying' witnessed here was nothing more than the same good, hard training that all British soldiers receive at the start of their careers, which is absolutely necessary in order to turn them from idle layabouts into steely-eyed machines of war. The army takes a very dim view of bullying and harrassment in the army, the last thing we need is programmes like this showing us in an even worse light.

Your reporter has blatantly misused his position to film this. He withheld the truth when swearing his Oath of Allegiance to the Queen, and lied to his chain of command in order to be discharged. How on earth can television like this be commissioned?"

Eloquent lad on 5 live now (james). Well said.

Originally Posted by whitbycrab

Ok, I retract that, I was wrong. But, to reiterate what I have said, in the training environment it is unfair to put UNDUE pressure on a recruit and expect him to achieve his full potential. Yes, people can and do achieve their full potential under extreme pressure.

Sorry but that is b0llocks, when I went thorugh basic it was rare during the first 12 weeks to get more than 3-4 hrs kip a night and even then we slept on the floor as our beds were made up a'la bed block style. Then the daywas spent dissapearing up our arrses, not even time to fart, but 6 months went fast.....It weeded out the weak and the remainder were jolly good lads, ok some toss pots got through, but still, pressure is good, as far as I am concerned.....

If there ever was a time for General Dannat to stand up and protect his men.... Now is it.

Originally Posted by whitbycrab

Nobody can reach their full potential when they are under undue pressure.

Maybe thats what they teach you in the scalies but I was under the impression that training was designed to take a recruit to the ends of his mental and physical ability. Train hard, fight easy. Unless youre a bleep apparently?

Any soldier worth his salt should have a film called 'The Hill' in his top 10. Sean Connery stars in it as a busted sergeant doing time in a desert equivalent of Colchester. There is a particular corporal who is a bully. At the end of the film it is the sergeants who get together and give him a right good kicking.

The version I watched had Connery as a busted RTR SSM and Ian Hendry as SSgt Williams getting the kicking at the end by the inmates. Apart from that, youre spot on.

Have you actually ever watched it??

Originally Posted by whitbycrab

Ok, I retract that, I was wrong. But, to reiterate what I have said, in the training environment it is unfair to put UNDUE pressure on a recruit and expect him to achieve his full potential. Yes, people can and do achieve their full potential under extreme pressure.

I bet 14 Sigs has gone down hill since you got there.

Originally Posted by ProudE89C

Can't this tw@t be called up for colour service and sent on OPS somewhere? Absolute disgrace that this has been aired. The Media/Press just love to big us up and then pull a stunt like this!

He should be called back on the grounds that he lied about his girlfriend being pregnant. And as per my previous made to soldier on or sent to Colly for the duration of his 4 years.

Patrick mercer by the way is giving a very good account of himself.

On 5 Live Nick wallis the interviewer just redeemed himself in my eyes of being a left wing liberal c* when he asked "well maybe some of the people going into training aren't cut out for it"

Really? Shocking!