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06-08-2008, 09:49 #1
A surgeon's guidebook to the horrors of battle
A new book, "War Surgery in Afghanistan and Iraq: A Series of Cases, 2003-2007," quietly issued by the United States Army — the first guidebook of new techniques for American battlefield surgeons to be published while the wars it analyzes are still being fought.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...nce/05surg.php
What is interesting is the battles over whether or not the book should be censored as the US government tried to 'shield' the public from the horrors of war - or should that be mislead the public?
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06-08-2008, 09:54 #2
Re: A surgeon's guidebook to the horrors of battle
to be honest, i think these sorts of books are necessary, for a variety of reasons...
Pain is just weakness leaving the body...
(Exercise is bad for you because your in pain....pain is bad...exercise is bad)
one or t'other
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06-08-2008, 10:09 #3
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I remember being show 'Medicine in Vietnam' back when I first joined up. It left you realising that the surgeons, even back then, could do an awful lot to put people back together. If these things better prepare surgeons and save lives its a no brainer.
Censors, read political spin doctors."Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life".
Cecil Rhodes
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06-08-2008, 14:20 #4
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Reminds me of an exibit at the National Army Museum called "Faces of Battle".
It was about soldiers in WW1 who suffered horrible face wounds and about the early srgery used to "patch them up".
Webbie:
http://www.national-army-museum.ac.u...OfBattle.shtml
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06-08-2008, 14:30 #5
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That looks a really interesting exhibition. Do you know if it's still showing?
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Harris: "Young man, I kill thousands of people every night".
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06-08-2008, 14:48 #6
Re: A surgeon's guidebook to the horrors of battle
I believe it is....it was fascinating. Gillies was an incredible chap, I have a feeling his newphew was the one who started the "guinea pig club" for burt airment in WW2.
Pain is just weakness leaving the body...
(Exercise is bad for you because your in pain....pain is bad...exercise is bad)
one or t'other
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06-08-2008, 15:01 #7Senior Member
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Re: A surgeon's guidebook to the horrors of battle
The general public has no interest in books like this. Its a medical texbook ffs, dedicated to treeating battlefield trauma. How many non-medical people go and browse the relevant section at Blackwells? None.
Originally Posted by gaijin
I, for one, will probably try and track down a copy at some point, sounds like they've got some interesting ideas for trauma management...lifelong learning and all that ;)Some people are like slinkys - seemingly entirely useless, yet still can raise a smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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06-08-2008, 18:13 #8
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Sure we've all seen the new Rambo, the sensitivity train left ages ago :D Blood n' guts are the bread and butter of medic corp, toning it down for peoples precious little brains is pathetic.No detail should be left out if it means someone's life could be saved.
"When your going through hell, keep going" - Winston Churchill
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06-08-2008, 18:28 #9
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I currently work for a Civilian Rehabilitation Hospital and our CMO comes from Walter Reed. A lot of techniques and knowledge gained during these conflicts in the medical field should not be lost. They eventually move over to the civilian sector and helping medicine in general advance.
Three things generally happen when you meet someone unlike yourself:
1. We try to clone them and make them like us.
2. We reject them and push them away.
3. We find common ground and a place of agreement.
Yet in all three we assert one fundamental concept, that we are right.
What if when we encounter someone unlike us we seek to see ourselves through their eyes and become open to the possibility that we are wrong?
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07-08-2008, 07:02 #10
Re: A surgeon's guidebook to the horrors of battle
Thanks for that, I looked at the NAM site last night & there was a lot more info on the exhibit on it. Gillies really was a pioneer, he taught McIndoe many of the techniques later used at East Grinstead. McIndoe improved on many of these surgical practices & introduced new ones, consequently he became the surgeon better remembered than Gillies. It's right therefore that Gillies gets the recognition he deserves from this exhibit. I'll be taking a trip to the NAM to see it soon, the subject fascinates me because I teach First Aid & always looking out for background material like this.
Originally Posted by bensonby
Traffic copper to Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris, 1943: "Don't drive so fast sir, you might kill somebody".
Harris: "Young man, I kill thousands of people every night".
Mr. Golden makes exceedingly good showers!
Andrew Rayson - Anointed recipient of the Peter Adamson Memorial Shield for Swimming Instructor of the Year 2009 with Blue Riband for Amateur Photography.
Taxi for LCPL Grantham!
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