Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by chimera

She is also now being accused of shameless electioneering in an attempt to try and reduce the extent to which Labour are going to get caned in the local elections next week:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7350300.stm

Just the Tories grabbing at straws.

The Lib Dem position is

But Chris Huhne, for the Liberal Democrats, said it would be "churlish" to criticise the announcement as a breach of election law, as the money had been announced last year, in the Comprehensive Spending Review.

So err, will you be doing any electioneering before 1 May then Sven? Supporting your Lib Dem candidate on the doorsteps and all that.

And exactly what has that got to do with the subject at hand?

Well, you're telling us all about the Lib Dem position. I wondered whether you'll be restricting yourself to internet electioneering or whether you'll be getting out and about in, where is it, Craven.

Just a friendly enquiry about what you'll be doing in the run up to the election. No need to get all defensive.

Start a new thread then, if You're interested.

I'm not THAT interested. I just had visions of you pounding the streets of one of the local wards, like Aire Valley with Lothersdale ward for example, and chatting to people about stuff like this and putting forward the Lib Dem view.

OK then, since You asked so VERY nicely. I am standing for District Council in the above ward, I have and will be talking with locals about local issues and putting forward my case for election.

Special Community Outreach? That's a nice touchy feely wee soundbite. With the ever decreasing number of Police officers 300 of these well paid 'outreachers' will prove insignificant nationwide. What is she thinking?

She's Gordon in a wig.

Originally Posted by Sven

Shirley Williams was in a Labour cabinet - so what?

You were the one who brought up the BBC's political editor and his alleged Tory membership. Do try and keep up.

My point was that it is, and should be, meaningless.

Originally Posted by Sven

OK then, since You asked so VERY nicely. I am standing for District Council in the above ward, I have and will be talking with locals about local issues and putting forward my case for election.

Good for you Sven. Will you be doing any hustings?

Originally Posted by Sixty

Originally Posted by Sven

Shirley Williams was in a Labour cabinet - so what?

You were the one who brought up the BBC's political editor and his alleged Tory membership. Do try and keep up.

My point was that it is, and should be, meaningless.

Where a politician starts His political affiliation is meaningless.


Where an editor of a mainstream TV channel uses His political bias to slant the news one way or another is not meaningless.

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Sven

OK then, since You asked so VERY nicely. I am standing for District Council in the above ward, I have and will be talking with locals about local issues and putting forward my case for election.

Good for you Sven. Will you be doing any hustings?

I have around £700 to spend on putting my case across, all of it taken up with leaflets and postage. I have no money spare for renting halls.

So, sorry but no hustings for You to come and see me at.

Originally Posted by Speedkuff

"They want to plow the money into a PA for every shift to sort out their paperwork and allow tham back on the streets."

EXACTLY!!! I recently did a ride along with an american bobby in Florida in a similar sized force to my own. We spent a shift together doing most of the same things that I would expect to do on a late turn except that I noticed that we hadn't gone back to the station for any clerical time.

I thought that this was a little strange and asked him if I was digging into his enquiry/clerical time by being along for the ride so to speak.

He looked at me as though I was an idiot and explained that in his force, he is a patrol officer and thus spends his time on patrol, the detectives concern themselves with investigation and all departments have a series of clerical assistants to dig through the paperwork.

We then carried out an arrest of a disqualified driver and I was shocked to find that instead of the 10-12 pages of crap and interview and custody time that I'd expect to carry out, they had a simple system.

Arrest the guy (Nice bloke to talk to actually)

Convey to police station. Book him in and fingerprint and photograph.

Write the arrest statement and complete 3 forms.

Convey to County Jail.

Book him in.

Resume patrol.

"Will you have more stuff to do afterwards?" I asked and again he looked at me as though I was some type of paperwork junky and said "No, that's it. How else can you spend time on patrol if you're inside?"

And when you consider that the US is one of the most litigious societies on the planet, it seems to me that the public is being hugely cheated of police presence on the streets by a systemic inability to manage the clerical burden which keeps us off the streets.

Even with target chasing, we could still spend more time doing more of the stuff the public wants if the clerical thing was done right.

Don't get me wrong, there aren't any conscripts in the police and yes I could leave if I hated it that badly but I think we could deffers do it more efficiently... A bit off topic but WTF

There was a report this week suggesting Glasgow, which has a higher per capita violent crime rate than New York, should adopt the NYPD's famous Zero Tolerance methods.

A fine idea, but it won't work for exactly the reasons Speedkuff has outlined; Coppers in this country do not have the back up required to do the job. The entire system is rotten to the core, and the best efforts of the police amount to p1ssing into a hurricane...

For what it's worth, I believe all PCSO's should spend the majority of their shifts dealing with paperwork. The system would work like this: When real Coppers go on patrol, they have to take a PCSO with them. If the Copper nicks someone, the PCSO acts as a witness(pretty much all they are good for anyway ). On returning to the station, all the paperwork is dumped on the PCSO. The real Copper collects another PCSO and resumes patrol.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

There are, of course, many things wrong with America. But I have to admit, I like the emphasis on Law ENFORCEMENT as opposed to policing by consent...

Standing by for Incoming! :D

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Sven

OK then, since You asked so VERY nicely. I am standing for District Council in the above ward, I have and will be talking with locals about local issues and putting forward my case for election.

Good for you Sven. Will you be doing any hustings?

I have around £700 to spend on putting my case across, all of it taken up with leaflets and postage. I have no money spare for renting halls.

So, sorry but no hustings for You to come and see me at.

That's a pity.

I remember when I was a kid. At election time, all the candidates trooped down to my school and spoke to a public meeting in the dinner hall. The school string group 'entertained' everybody first with a cacophony of screeching violins.

Did you ever play the violin Sven? Were you ever a kiddy fiddler?

:D

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by chimera

She is also now being accused of shameless electioneering in an attempt to try and reduce the extent to which Labour are going to get caned in the local elections next week:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7350300.stm

Just the Tories grabbing at straws.

The Lib Dem position is

But Chris Huhne, for the Liberal Democrats, said it would be "churlish" to criticise the announcement as a breach of election law, as the money had been announced last year, in the Comprehensive Spending Review.

So err, will you be doing any electioneering before 1 May then Sven? Supporting your Lib Dem candidate on the doorsteps and all that.

And exactly what has that got to do with the subject at hand?

Well, you're telling us all about the Lib Dem position. I wondered whether you'll be restricting yourself to internet electioneering or whether you'll be getting out and about in, where is it, Craven.

Just a friendly enquiry about what you'll be doing in the run up to the election. No need to get all defensive.

Start a new thread then, if You're interested.

Interested?.... Sorry, less than zero interest in Lib Dems or whatever they are calling themselves these days.... they’re about as influential as a dead hedgehog. And will remain so until they drop this ridicules proportional representation rubbish ..... permanently

Originally Posted by Sven

Originally Posted by Sixty

Originally Posted by Sven

Shirley Williams was in a Labour cabinet - so what?

You were the one who brought up the BBC's political editor and his alleged Tory membership. Do try and keep up.

My point was that it is, and should be, meaningless.

Where a politician starts His political affiliation is meaningless....

Where an editor of a mainstream TV channel uses His political bias to slant the news one way or another is not meaningless.

Where a politician starts His political affiliation is meaningless.....

Not really Sven, especially when the Politician changes party midway through a parliament, thing is, it all boils down to integrity and honesty..... the constituents voted them in partly on merit, but mostly because they were REPRESENTING a particular party and NOT for them to swap and change at will because they think they can get a better deal over the road.

IMHO it say's a lot and just highlights a total lack of basic honesty, integrity and trustworthiness in an MP who does cross during a Parliament and doesn’t call a by-election. It's an action that should automatically generate a By-election and until that happens said MP becomes a very much EX MP...

Where an editor of a mainstream TV channel uses His political bias to slant the news one way or another is not meaningless.....

Apart from being an insult to the individual and slur on their professional ethics, if any bias was or is being shown it's more than overcome by the blatant liberal PC verging to leftwing bias shown by the BBC as a whole in their reporting.


I wish you luck in the upcoming elections Sven, I really do, even though you support a party with vastly different political views to mine, without this democratic way of doing things we would be a much poorer society. No matter what, the best person for the job will I'm sure win.. the people will speak etc etc, I just hope that it will be a ............ party candidate!

A good start would be teaching these PCSOs to swim.