Thread: Guns(or the lack of)

Given that Iraq is awash with weapons and no doubt Afghanistan as well - couldn't we adapt from RPD machine guns for use in defensive positions?
There are some fine armourers in theratre both HMF and locals.
With better barrels, sights etc couldn't they be used for the 'we see you over there, now f'ck off' type of shooting which happens several times a day in some places.

Provided local supplies of ammo and weapons are suitable I dont see this being a problem, in fact as an ex infantryman I'd be surprised if troops hadnt received some sort of familiarisation as part of OPTAG. The problem could arise if someone was injured or killed due to faulty and defective kit. Its bad enough with our and being sued for it, imagine if the press got hold of this? Remember we are not on a war footing here at home!

Originally Posted by SkiCarver

As someone (a civvie) who works in the UK automotive industry, I can tell you that 'Just in time' is basically a failed concept. If you run things that close in a complex system, you will ALWAYS struggle to maintain output, as one part of other will have 'issues'.

OK, companies do try to minimise the ammount of stock they carry, but JIT is only used for very large items which are manufatured closed to the main assembly plant.

Members of this government should be charged with criminal negligence for allowing this country to get to the position where we cannot maufacture the essential items of warfare. Ammo, uniforms, weapons, explosives ... must be available from local sources upon which the state can exercise complete control in time of war. (LIKE NOW)

This government has got us into the situation where we are absolutely reliant on other countries for the very basics of national defence.

as i say, criminal negligence.

Ski.

Under which government did the MoD introduce 'Just in Time'?

Whats more important is which Govt will pay attention and scrap it!

Originally Posted by ugly

Provided local supplies of ammo and weapons are suitable I dont see this being a problem, in fact as an ex infantryman I'd be surprised if troops hadnt received some sort of familiarisation as part of OPTAG. The problem could arise if someone was injured or killed due to faulty and defective kit. Its bad enough with our and being sued for it, imagine if the press got hold of this? Remember we are not on a war footing here at home!

Exactly HSE and corporate responsiblity pretty much preclude the use of the bad guys weps and ammo in case of breach explosion or similar - unproofed by the MOD etc. If you think parents get upset by losing a son to inadequate armour what do you think might happen if somebody goes down when forced to use locally sourced ammo..

That said.. I am more interested in why we are doing the "we see you over there now Foxtrot Oscar shooting" rather than actually trying to kill or capture the en. Though I have probably been sitting in a comfy armchair for too long.

Originally Posted by Sven

Under which government did the MoD introduce 'Just in Time'?

Is this some kind of inverted wah?

Blurs New Model Army
Health and Safety at work, Just in Time acquisition & and Lawyers running round looking for work.
john
Poor Tom.
Killing HM enemy is not enough.

One of the drivers of the salami slicing and hollowing out of our capability has IMHO been the Cold War. When the whole plan was to sit and wait for the 3 Shock Army no one expected the war to last more than 14 days; by which time either we would have won, or we would have nuked them. This cosy scenario fitted neatly with the Treasury mindset as they were able to sell of absolutely everything and reduce spares and maintenance to virtually zero. I do not think it has actually occured to anybody in the MOD that things like machine guns and vehicles are rapidly wasting assets in war and need frequent repair and replacement. The scandal is not that we are running out now. The scandal is that the pin stripes in Whitehall did not see it coming 18 months ago.

Originally Posted by CutLunchCommando

Originally Posted by Sven

Under which government did the MoD introduce 'Just in Time'?

Is this some kind of inverted wah?

I believe it's Sven's rather weak attempt at trying to imply that it was a Conservative government that introduced the idea. Now I've got no idea who did introduce the system, and whoever it was they were bloody idiots to do so, but even if it was a Conservative idea how long have Labour been in power now? Blaming the previous government after being in power for over a decade is just getting tired.

Originally Posted by Brick

Originally Posted by CutLunchCommando

Originally Posted by Sven

Under which government did the MoD introduce 'Just in Time'?

Is this some kind of inverted wah?

I believe it's Sven's rather weak attempt at trying to imply that it was a Conservative government that introduced the idea. Now I've got no idea who did introduce the system, and whoever it was they were bloody idiots to do so, but even if it was a Conservative idea how long have Labour been in power now? Blaming the previous government after being in power for over a decade is just getting tired.

It was indeed the Tories.

I agree entirely that it should be scrapped and the government is remiss in not doing so.

Does anyone know current thinking of the CoS in this, what is current thinking - do those military men in charge of logistics think it is a good thing?

Originally Posted by Guns

I know a bloke in Manchester who could "re-activate" any old weapons. Will need springing from Strangeways thou.

is that mister 'Big MAC' by any chance?
the wa*nker who was reactivating deactivated MAC10's he was getting as job lotts from the states?

i hope that fu*ker lives out the rest of his days in screaming agony and misery. all the cancers in the world at once is still to good an end for the dispicable cn*t.

Originally Posted by DrStealth

Originally Posted by Guns

I know a bloke in Manchester who could "re-activate" any old weapons. Will need springing from Strangeways thou.

is that mister 'Big MAC' by any chance?
the wa*nker who was reactivating deactivated MAC10's he was getting as job lotts from the states?

i hope that fu*ker lives out the rest of his days in screaming agony and misery. all the cancers in the world at once is still to good an end for the dispicable cn*t.

I remember that case. They did a Crimewatch programme, showing how they caught him. He was a full Registered Firearms Dealer and custom gunsmith. Although he had a good living from his legitimate business, he got his kicks selling 'raincoats' (reactivated Mac-10s) to Yardies on the side. He was proved to have sold most of the Mac-10s in circulation when they matched the toolmarks on the recovered silencers to a pin spanner found in his workshop.

I hope that he rots inside for a long time.

[quote="DrStealth

i hope that fu*ker lives out the rest of his days in screaming agony and misery. all the cancers in the world at once is still to good an end for the dispicable cn*t.[/quote]

You disapprove of the chap then ?

Originally Posted by Blogg

In the South West of England is a company that proclaims the following on page one of the Small Arms webpage:

.50 M2 HB Machine Gun. Over 500 in stock

thats helstons.

http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/fr_mil-1.html

the .50s they have are the original m2 browning, i'm not sure but i think all the army .50s are manroy made .50 QCB now. theres a few different bits between the two models.

Its another disgrace by a Government who could not care less, for the Forces. They wont spend cash on the wars they orchestrated, but they will spend on Africa. That piece of shite Broon has declared that the UK will buy more than 20,000,000 mossy nets for Africa, at a cost of $10 each (heard it on radio 2). Thats my f**king taxes I couldn't give a shoite for Africa, or Africans. Spend where its needed on Defence, if not defence the bloody aged. But dont give my money to Africa, while I'm on one send the f**kers who live here back.