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Originally Posted by Domovoy

http://www.mw.ua/ -- an "orange" paper that can give you some information on Ukrainian life. Today's one has an article concerning the latest Timoshenko initiative to "increase tariffs for Russian natural gas transportation to Europe" (deja vu?). Thank God, Yuschenko does not support it this time round.

Clearly the braided blond one has been reading ARRSE. According to KGB_resident, Gazprom will be happy to pay higher transportation charges. She must have decided he knows what he's talking about and decided to slip in a new demand. :D

Give it a bit of time, and we'll see if KGB_resident and Gazprom see eye-to-eye on this. Hehehee! :D :D

Originally Posted by whitecity

Originally Posted by Domovoy

http://www.mw.ua/ -- an "orange" paper that can give you some information on Ukrainian life. Today's one has an article concerning the latest Timoshenko initiative to "increase tariffs for Russian natural gas transportation to Europe" (deja vu?). Thank God, Yuschenko does not support it this time round.

Clearly the braided blond one has been reading ARRSE. According to KGB_resident, Gazprom will be happy to pay higher transportation charges. She must have decided he knows what he's talking about and decided to slip in a new demand. :D

Give it a bit of time, and we'll see if KGB_resident and Gazprom see eye-to-eye on this. Hehehee! :D :D

On that paper's forum there is someone called ?????.,??? whom I strongly suspect of been (or "being"? can never get it right!) Alexey B. Miller Chairman of the Management Committee of OAO Gazprom.

Oh! I must go back and have a more careful read in the morning. Only managed a quick skim tonight due to the influence of alcohol. :(

I'll report back on the 'morrow.

Edited to add:
suspect of being = still is
suspect of having been = was, but not any longer.

Originally Posted by whitecity

Oh! I must go back and have a more careful read in the morning. Only managed a quick skim tonight due to the influence of alcohol. :(

I'll report back on the 'morrow.

Edited to add:
suspect of being = still is
suspect of having been = was, but not any longer.

whitecity, he is on a forum. Unless you know Russian...

Thanks for a quick lesson in grammar. I'm sure, I'll get it wrong next time... :D

Originally Posted by Domovoy

Once again, you are not taking into consideration bad blood running between East and West Ukraine. And no "economic boost" will help people to close their eyes on the fact that since 1990-s Livov as well as Ivano-Frankovsk openly became ideological centres of national-fascist movement against Russians, Russian-speaking Ukrainians, Jews and Rusins.

I do realise that you are not going to read all these sites, but whatever you will read might give you an indication of Lvov as one of the LEAST suitable locations for "engagement with and between the rest of the Slavic community".

Taken from your first reference (dated 03/ 12/ 2004)
: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20041203/39774792.html

“The geopolitical meaning of Ukrainian developments is that Ukraine is only emerging as (an independent) state and its society is split over ways of its future development. Some Ukrainians see their future in a rapid rapprochement with the West, while others link the future of Ukraine to a close union with Russia. . . . It will take many years to unite Ukraine's two parts into a single whole“.

The two stances are NOT incompatible! The EU is “a close union”, yet the whole enjoys a “rapprochement with” the rest of the world.

A “close union” of the component parts of Ukraine, and of itself a “close union” with the rest of the Slavic world as part of the CIS, does not prohibit or prevent the whole of the CIS - or those individual members who wish - forming and enjoying “a . . . rapprochement with the West”.



Taken from your second reference (dated (2026-14-12-2007): http://www.norway.mid.ru/news_fp/news_fp_55_eng.html

“Statement by Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs Regarding Anti-Russian Manifestations in Ukraine”.

“Russia is deeply concerned by the rise in openly nationalistic, anti-Russian and Russophobic sentiment and manifestations in Ukraine. It is actually about attempts to exploit the complicated periods of our joint history to obtain momentary political advantages to suit dubious ideological assumptions. . . .

It engages attention that radical nationalist forces in the country not only feel free and act with impunity, but increasingly step up their provocative actions. Thus, at the end of November in Zaporozhye at the official unveiling ceremony of a monument to the victims of the 1932-1933 famine in the USSR, in the presence and with the cowardly silence of the representatives of the power structures of Ukraine the leader of the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, a certain Tymchina, sank so low as to utter blasphemous Russophobic and anti-Semitic statements“.

Further:

“The unceasing acts of vandalism against monuments to the liberator soldiers in western regions of Ukraine – in Chervonograd, Drogobych, Lviv, Ivano-Frankovsk and other cities – cannot but evoke indignation”,

whilst similar behaviour was looked-on impassively by the west, when similar incidents took place in the new EU and NATO member, Estonia last year,

"The organization of Ukrainian nationalists – the Ukrainian insurgent army (OUN UPA) is being rehabilitated, although it is well known that UPA bandit gangs took part in the punitive actions of the Nazis. On their conscience are hundreds of thousands of executed citizens – Ukrainians, Russians, Jews and members of other nationalities“,

will NOT endear west Ukraine to Western Europe. Those responsible should realise that whilst such behaviour may be designed to close-the-door on Russia, such behaviour will be responsible for Western Europe barricading-its-doors against west Ukraine!!



Taken from your third reference (dated 05.07.02 // 18:14): http://russkie.org/index.php?module=fullitem&id=116

Hey! My Russian/Serbo-Croat language skills can not even begin to tackle that, ???????? ??????? ????????.



Taken from your forth reference (dated 16 November 2005): http://eng.for-ua.com/news/2005/11/16/150523.html

“Russian cultural centre was attacked in Lvov. By night November 16, regular attack on Russian cultural centre (RCC) in Lvov has been committed, as reported by Alexander Katachin, head of RCC press office”.

Again, those responsible should realise that whilst such behaviour may be designed to close-the-door on Russia, such behaviour will be responsible for Western Europe barricading-its-doors against west Ukraine!!



Taken from your fifth reference (dated December 13, 2007):
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...d_to_lvov.html

“From Hampstead to Lvov. Jews have a tough time in Ukraine - which has prompted some to ask if they should be encouraged to move to Israel”.

I have absolutely no desire to comment on the support from Hampstead’s Jewish community towards a Jewish school in Lvov. However, I can well understand why an attempt by anyone to presumably assist a whole community, town, would attract hostility and a negative reaction when that support is indelicately directed to only one specific component of that community, town - to the exclusion of all of the others!

But again, those responsible for the reaction in Lvov, should realise that whilst such behaviour may be designed to close-the-door on Russia, such behaviour will be responsible for Western Europe barricading-its-doors against west Ukraine!!

Originally Posted by Domovoy

Originally Posted by whitecity

Oh! I must go back and have a more careful read in the morning. Only managed a quick skim tonight due to the influence of alcohol. :(

I'll report back on the 'morrow.

whitecity, he is on a forum. Unless you know Russian...

Had a good read of the article you suggested here: http://www.mw.ua/1000/1550/61844/

I must confess that I was not particularly impressed nor enlightened. The journalist seems to have lifted a TV interview with the president simply to initiate her own personal vitriol on the matter. She doesn't really present any 'facts' - just her (I assume Hanna LYUTA is female) personal opinion. Sad really if this is an exmple of Ukrainian journalism at its 'best'.

Also tracked down the forum that you mentionned, and you are right, I am at a bit of a disadvantage. However, is this the person that you alluded to?: http://forum.mw.ua/ie/forums/index.php?showuser=1911 On ARRSE, all I see is a bunch of ????????s

From what I do understand of his posts, he does seem to have a rather simplistic and one-track view of everything. :D

Originally Posted by RCT(V)

Originally Posted by Domovoy

I do realise that you are not going to read all these sites, .

Taken from [b]your first reference
Taken from [b]your second reference
Taken from [b]your third reference
Taken from [b]your forth reference
Taken from [b]your fifth reference

!!

Good Lord! You really are military, are you? :D Next time I'll try to come up with at least ten references...

"The two stances are NOT incompatible!" ------------------ You are absolutely right. The problem is in extreme nationalism: Western idea is presented by West Ukraine (largely agricultural) which: 1.Views East-Ukrainians as inferior human beings on the grounds of their Russian connections; 2.Is against industrialisation on the grounds that industrial development came from Russia and is not characteristic of "Ukrainian" culture. While East-Ukraine (largely industrial) grew tired of demanding equal rights and suffered greatly from severed economic tiers with Russia especially after "orange revolution". For as long as Ukrainian nationalism is allowed to flourish there will be no reconciliation, nor rapprochement with the West and Russia.

"Again, those responsible should realise that whilst such behaviour may be designed to close-the-door on Russia, such behaviour will be responsible for Western Europe barricading-its-doors against west Ukraine!!"------------------------ Let’s not be shy and admit that all those "colourful revolutions" were orchestrated and paid for by the West (primarily, USA) with only one goal in mind: to turn former Soviet republics away from Russia isolating it as much as possible. That is why US had to look for allies among the most despicable national-fascists in these republics. So, who is going to explain to West-Ukrainians that their nationalistic ideology and behaviour is wrong? The very same Western politicians that awarded this ideology and behaviour in 2004 by propelling nationalists to power?

Originally Posted by whitecity

I must confess that I was not particularly impressed nor enlightened.

Also tracked down the forum that you mentionned, and you are right, I am at a bit of a disadvantage. However, is this the person that you alluded to?: http://forum.mw.ua/ie/forums/index.php?showuser=1911 On ARRSE, all I see is a bunch of ????????s

From what I do understand of his posts, he does seem to have a rather simplistic and one-track view of everything. :D

You were not impressed or enlightened on a state of complete chaos at the heart of Ukrainian government with "Calamity Jane" in charge, where President has to contradict PM publicly, PM can't be bothered with President's opinion, and the coalition they formed only few weeks ago is already in turmoil? Aren’t we picky? :D

Yes, that's him. I'm not sure he is who I think he is, but... Few things drew my attention: his favourite topic seems to revolve around Gasprom, he even started a thread devoted to Gasprom/Ukraine dealings; in this thread he twice made remarks with regard to Gasprom decisions that were announced only the following day; plus, some personal details he let slip in his posts.

"...he does seem to have a rather simplistic and one-track view of everything" --------------------- Well, people with strong opinions tend to have a "one-track view" that's why they are drawn to forums where they can express these strong opinions under assumed names without being judged. With regard to "simplistic" and "everything", -- whitecity, don't you think your conclusion was a bit rush and simplistic?