ARmy Rumour SErvice

**MrPVRd** · 18-09-2007, 18:56

I reckon Dubya must have seen Dr Strangelove during an acid trip, and he has a deep and unconscious longing to ride that bomb! Either that or he saw it sober and thought it a great idea!

**cometcatcher** · 18-09-2007, 19:13

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in a Jane's Magazine report that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were killed in a July 23 accident in Syria.

The ratcheting, and rattling, is definitely getting louder.

**ghost_us** · 18-09-2007, 19:18

Originally Posted by Taz_786

If we just bomb them hard enough they'll surrender...and then you woke up sunshine.

Is anyone really stupid enough to think that the Iranians have no contingency plans of their own and are just going to take any attack lying down?

Iv heard rumours of late that the ayatollahs have called in Imad Mugniyah as their point man for retaliation against the West and if you dont know who Imad Mugniyah is...put it this way - he has a CV that makes OBL look positively amateurish.

Who do you think did Lockerbie? There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the Iranians did it in retaliation for the Yanks downing their airliner.

What are they going to do if their country comes under attack? Its not going to be pretty, put it that way.

I dont think its going to happen anyway, the Iranians will slow down their nuclear program if the pressure gets too much and simply ratchet it up again once the US election is under way.

Its a chess game and the Persians invented chess!

Your bold. That's the entire reason behind keeping them away from a bomb. Thanks for reinforcing the point. You mean to intimidate those on the boards here with some threat of violence. No need. Put up or shut up.

They have until November. That's when it's believed that they could possibly have something. If the US or Nato does nothing by that time, expect Israel to.

You say this as if Iran is on par with the US or Britain. Without underestimating the enemy too much, considering they couldn't beat the Iraqis in 8 years and the US wiped them in 8 days I doubt they could put up a substantial conventional war front.

That being said, I'm sure they could be very effective in continuing the type of war they are waging against us right now.

I wouldn't expect a US invasion force, I would however expect the US to break a lot of their toys.

It's funny hearing people on here saying they won't go to war with Iran. Got news for ya. You are already at war with Iran.

Ironically, I posted about this 8 months ago and people on these boards stepped all over my nuts.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/...9.html#1108939

**Rumpelstiltskin** · 18-09-2007, 19:31

Originally Posted by ghost_us

They have until November. That's when it's believed that they could possibly have something. If the US or Nato does nothing by that time, expect Israel to.

Yikes! And we know that how, exactly? Just think, all these years we could have done something, and now there's little over a month left!

Or... that's just when the US is planning to bomb them- I recall Pakistani intelligence were claiming an attack would come in October- and an urgent, Strike-Now rationale is being leaked to the press immediately beforehand.

Hard one.

**ghost_us** · 18-09-2007, 19:57

Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin

Originally Posted by ghost_us

They have until November. That's when it's believed that they could possibly have something. If the US or Nato does nothing by that time, expect Israel to.

Yikes! And we know that how, exactly? Just think, all these years we could have done something, and now there's little over a month left!

Or... that's just when the US is planning to bomb them- I recall Pakistani intelligence were claiming an attack would come in October- and an urgent, Strike-Now rationale is being leaked to the press immediately beforehand.

Hard one.

I recall reading an Article some months back about how November was the magic month for Iran to have enough to make a bomb at the earliest possible time. My birthday is in November and I recall thinking, oh good. Nuclear War for my Birthday.

It would seem likely that we may see something before the end of the year.

edit: I tried finding the article to no avail. Wish I did, it was some interesting reading.

**ViolentBadger** · 18-09-2007, 21:14

Originally Posted by Taz_786

Iv heard rumours of late that the ayatollahs have called in Imad Mugniyah as their point man for retaliation against the West and if you dont know who Imad Mugniyah is...put it this way - he has a CV that makes OBL look positively amateurish.

Well you'd know, you being a supporter of muslim extremists, been planning how to kill more members of HM Forces have you ?

**Dontdreamit** · 18-09-2007, 21:21

We are never attacking Iran.

neither are the US.

Western forces dont have the ability to tackle a nation that when required can mobilise 2 million troops. The have 2 Brigades of Special Forces alone.

Not to mention the strong national identity within Iran provokes a fervor in the local people making them just as hostile as any trained forces.

It. just. wont. happen.

**IT_Guy** · 18-09-2007, 21:25

Originally Posted by goodkurtz

Originally Posted by Hairy_T_Towel_Holder

I think its about time a nuke got dropped aswell, just to show these cavemen what power the west realy has.

If the US used a nuclear device against Iran they would have breached their part of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It states quite clearly that nuclear powers should neither threaten or use nuclear weapons against non nuclear fellow signatories. The reason this rule is in place is to discourage non nuclear countries from going nuclear.

The USA has continually refused to categorally rule out the nuclear option against Iran.

I think people need to have more empathy for the Iranians, consider the history between Iran and the USA, they are obviously hated by the USA and they realise that, they feel threatened by (and are being threatened by) the USA.

I have no doubt that Iran is helping their supporters in Iraq as the USA helped the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, I have no doubt that Iran would love to have nuclear weapons.

The difference is I believe they are after Nukes to defend themselves rather than to attack Israel or the West, face it, would we be considering Nuking Iran if it had Nukes of its own? Would we even be discussing invasion or air attacks if they were so armed?

I have often tried to engage the Iranians I work with about such subjects with no success, I just get nervous smiles and foot shuffling, they're not stupid (all engineering graduates) but avoid the subject even though I make it obvious I don't like the septics either.

No easy answers here I believe, It's easy to advocate further wars and attacks, its harder to think about changing our reliance on oil and the middle east.

Soldiers and Arabs lives are cheap, cheaper than Haliburton shares thats for sure.

Anyway, thats my tuppence worth.

**goodkurtz** · 18-09-2007, 22:31

Nice one, MrPVRd,
They don't have Slim Pickins taking the big ride. But they do have this to remind us what a 'mushroom top' actually looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU

**Garhwal** · 19-09-2007, 00:30

Iran, a country with 130 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, more than anywhere else except Saudi Arabia, has imposed petrol rationing because they only have a refining capacity of 60% and that will fall further as demand grows. 1/3rd of all Iran's petrol stations were destroyed by rioting after petrol was rationed along with openly held demonstrations against Ahmadinejad. He is deeply unpopular. Iranians consider oil as their birthright and are embarrassed that they cannot provide for themselves.

Inflation is running close to 40%. With "armouredinnerjacket" at the helm it's going to get worse. He does not understand the simplest of economics and has handed positions of policy making decisions to either members of the republican guard or the clerics, booting out finance ministers. The republican guard now control roughly £5 billion for government projects.

Iran has 70 million people. 2/3rds of the population are under 30 years old (21% are under 14). 31% of 15-30 year olds are unemployed. They are westernised to a much higher standard than people in the US and UK think. Those that speak English do so with American accents! Women constantly flout the religious dress codes and a whole fashion has grown up with regards to hair and the hijab in the cities

When ever they vote they vote for reformers. The mullah's time is running out. They have failed to produce the economic conditions for prosperity simply because of their foreign policy not just towards the west but middle eastern countries too (and their financial ineptitude - preaching from the Koran does not give one an understanding of world economics!). The race is on; internal collapse and revolution verses the atomic bomb.

If the west keeps the squeeze on or threatens to tighten down further due to failures in the Iranian regime to comply with the IEAE then the former is more likely.

We are now beginning to see a clamp down in Iran. The pressure is building on the Iranian regime.

We have to realise that it's not the Iranians in general that we are at odds with, but their dictatorship and the mullahs. Iran could become what the Americans wanted in Iraq; a stable western style democracy. It's people are more than capable. The key is getting the people to overthrow the government without or with minimal military intervention.

Full scale invasion and lobbing a nuke at a target is not going to help. Removing the regimes ability to produce petrol probably will.