Originally Posted by The_Goon

I hope you understand that these people are the minority.

Maybe once they were in a minority but they are growing in numbers all the time.

Bugly, are you even reading my posts?

Originally Posted by The_Goon

anti-muslim

I said that too. In the same post you quote. So read it and digest it. You appear racist, xenophobic, and anti-muslim in much that you say.

Please don't ever refer to me as an apologist for terrorism of any sort. I am defending the majority of Muslims who are average people who happen to practice a different religion who people like YOU lump with terrorists just because they share a religion. It's a ridiculous thing to do, and doesn't help anyone.

I resent the implication that I have not travelled. I have seen many countries and peoples in my life so far.

You are fond of unqualified sweeping assumptions aren't you?

Originally Posted by The_Goon

I try to avoid labelling people, but you, The_Cad, and you, Bugly, are both appearing racist, xenophobic, and anti-muslim at present, and have shown elsewhere similar tendencies. Either qualify your statements or accept these labels. Do you mean that all Muslims are bad or a specific section?

Goon, I'll go along with you in agreeing that their statements need definition. Personally, I have no time for fundamentalism in whatever creed, religion or colour ideals.

However I agree that thread topic is a subject that does need to be raised in open forum rather than behind closed doors.

If there is proof that fundamentalists are in a position to influence any part of the population (and I have difficulties enough with the Wee Frees :D !), that is a bad thing and a discussion within the whole community is required.

In these PC days, it is all too easy to throw around stopper comments and labels such as racist and anti-muslim but inflammatory posts do nothing to help a rational and unemotive debate start.

I think that makes me a liberal - perhaps I should ask you........

Originally Posted by Postie

Can't say I am surprised, I read Ed Hussein's book 'The Islamist' over the summer. He makes it very clear that most of the heirarchy of the Muslim Council of Britain were Islamists in their youth and may still be of that persuasion.

Now should that worry me more or less than the fact that the Shrub is supported by a bunch of evangelical christians.

In_the_cheapseats, I'm not a liberal and I'm far from it too. I'm a conservative to the core, erring on the side of UKIP. This, however, does not mean that I feel comfortable with the way Bugly & Co. lump all muslims into one big pot and claim them all to be terrorists or, failing that, terrorist supporters, when it is established that the majority are not and are against the terrorists.

I already said that I try not to use such labels on people, but The_Cad and Bugly have more than proven there credentials for all three labels.

Originally Posted by The_Goon

Liberal? Don't make me laugh.

I asked you to QUALIFY your statement about the enemy within the UK - You appear to have done so (by saying about Muslim Terrorists and their Supporters), well done. I hope you understand that these people are the minority.
EDIT: Bugly, I don't, I was specifically referring to benjamin - read his post.

But, are they?

If so then why aren't the majority of British Muslims doing more to stamp out extremism. Anyone who watched that documentary on C4 a while back called under cover mosques could see that there is a problem in this country. Radical views being preached in mosques up and down the country, DVD's with radical views being preached on sale outside the mosques. Why are the 'moderate' muslims not calling the police or banning these people from their mosques?

Call me a raving right wing mentalist, but I would like to see the muslims doing more to stamp out extremism in the UK, as that's the only way we'll defeat this. We need to work with the muslims instead of branding all of them terrorists, but are they bothered about stamping it out??

If there are certain initiatives that i'm unaware of then I apologise, but i'm not aware of any.

Originally Posted by The_Goon

In_the_cheapseats, I'm not a liberal and I'm far from it too. I'm a conservative to the core, erring on the side of UKIP. This, however, does not mean that I feel comfortable with the way Bugly & Co. lump all muslims into one big pot and claim them all to be terrorists or, failing that, terrorist supporters, when it is established that the majority are not and are against the terrorists.

I already said that I try not to use such labels on people, but The_Cad and Bugly have more than proven there credentials for all three labels.

UKIP eh? A party for those without the moral courage to vote BNP?

Originally Posted by Bugly

Originally Posted by The_Goon

I try to avoid labelling people, but you, The_Cad, and you, Bugly, are both appearing racist, xenophobic, and anti-muslim at present, and have shown elsewhere similar tendencies. Either qualify your statements or accept these labels. Do you mean that all Muslims are bad or a specific section?

Why do the apologists for muslim terror always play the racist card ? islam and muslims are NOT a race.

Obviously you've never travelled had you done so you'd know that muslims come in all sorts of colours and Races.

Yes, the BNP invented the Islam tag deliberately to avoid the Incitement to Racial Hatred charge.

That's why i prefer the word bigot.

Bigot

Originally Posted by Bugly

Originally Posted by The_Goon

I hope you understand that these people are the minority.

Maybe once they were in a minority but they are growing in numbers all the time.

Proof, perhaps? Evidence - at all?

UKIP and BNP are like chalk and cheese, The_Cad, and I did say I erred on the side of UKIP i.e. that sort of policy. The BNP is the British Nazi Party, I detest them and there membership.

I don't know of any official initiatives etc. at the moment which get your average Muslim to gather against the extremists, but there have been some recent gains by the moderate camp, with regards speaking up and being counted, so this could be the start of a wider move to eliminate extremism.