Thread: Rubbish terrorists

Originally Posted by Wyvern

Might mean there's a couple of jobs free for all those unemployed drs...


and what's gonna be good about all those virgins? surely someone with a bit of experience would be better? N having 72 women nagging you? They've a funny idea of heaven....

Couldn't agree more. Now if it were 72 self-replenishing beer-engines, or 72 neverending BBQ pits then I might be interested. Otherwise it's just not worth your while dying.

I want 72 Cadbury's cream egg vending machines dotted around so I'll never be too far from some choccies

Originally Posted by Scratchum

I still can't believe they were Doctors what on earth presuming they were NHS thank god the NHS have now lost those two numpty's ...

This is the problem as I see it
According to the BBC three of them are doctors
These guys were 'fresh' i.e. no form no reason maybe to suspect them of anything that was about to happen
I believe that it was mentioned they are from Jordan which agian IIRC has quite good relations with the west and particuarly the UK didn't we train alot of their army officers and pilots at Sandhurst and Cranwell?

So we have three doctors who have passed all the tests and seem peacefull and friendly
How many did Shipton kill before he was caught?
These fukcers could have done dozens in the hospitals and what if they'd got clearencet o practise on a military wing?

They may be spaz window lickers as terrorists but the potential to kill on the QT is definently there

Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

Originally Posted by Scratchum

I still can't believe they were Doctors what on earth presuming they were NHS thank god the NHS have now lost those two numpty's ...

This is the problem as I see it
According to the BBC three of them are doctors
These guys were 'fresh' i.e. no form no reason maybe to suspect them of anything that was about to happen
I believe that it was mentioned they are from Jordan which agian IIRC has quite good relations with the west and particuarly the UK didn't we train alot of their army officers and pilots at Sandhurst and Cranwell?

So we have three doctors who have passed all the tests and seem peacefull and friendly
How many did Shipton kill before he was caught?
These fukcers could have done dozens in the hospitals and what if they'd got clearencet o practise on a military wing?

They may be spaz window lickers as terrorists but the potential to kill on the QT is definently there

tbs, has been stated many times, we lost control of our borders many years ago. Politicians of all hues have enabled this to happen, without the consent of the British people. We now need a fortress Britain mentality aka the methods of John Howard PM Australia.

Sky are saying that one was an Iraqi.

We can joke about it, but this is too serious for the PC crowd to interfere in. Somebody in authority is going to have to get to grips with this little lot. It's already cost innocent lives and maimings. They've got no 'right' to be here, other than the right they are given by the Home Office. It's time they went, unless there is a compelling reason that is to our advantage, to allow them to stay.
If this turns into another drawn out saga like Ulster, there will be a backlash, whatever the politicians might hope for.

The driver of the Jeephas been named as Sindged Rammin-Mahjeepin :D

Can I suggest outrageous amounts of torture to get info
Then a meeting with Mr Pierrepoint successor
After that a nice barbeque smothered in pigfat and then thrown into the ground and forgotten about

We need to do it quick before our new US middle east envoy comes up with a plan to release everyone from jail as he did in Ulster

To be fair, it looks like AQ have subcontracted terrorism out to Sodexho.

In all honesty, there's not a right lot to pick up any doctors who are dodgey. If you've got a clear CRB and the intelligence to bull sh!t on your MTAS application, you'll get through. Most places don't even interview for junior Drs posts now - and fewer are interviewing for medical school entry too. The MTAS fiasco is just so they can say 'well we tried' when people slip through the net.
If you're intelligent enough to get through medical school, in all likelyhood you'd be intelligent enough to hide any terrorist leanings.


(but there are plenty of nice, trustworthy doctors out there, honest!)

I think we should be thanking our lucky stars that these bombs actually failed to go off. It would appear it was only down to a faulty detonators that save a huge carnage on our streets. Do I feel insulted that the bombs failed to off as the original poster stated, well No I don't, but i hope next time one goes off that this prat is standing next to it.

Originally Posted by Werewolf

Originally Posted by labrat

Surely this is somewhat the nature of the beast? - if you're relying on your terrorist campaign on people who you have indoctrinated into being willing to die in the process, then by definition you're not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box are you?

Add to this, the whole ethos of suicide bombing - the lack of an escape plan - would indicate a lackof planning and preperation which is likley to reflect itself in the other stages of the operation, such as actually finding out if your devices stand a chance of working before using them... (of course, suicide bombing sort of precludes carrying out a practice run doesnt it!)

What, like the "tools" who managed to learn to fly aircraft in the USA itself, smuggle knives on board four airplanes, hijack them and carry out the single greatest act of terrrorism the world has ever known?

If that's what stupid terrorists can do...I'd hate to meet the SMART ones!

Hate your enemy as much as you like. But never underestimate him.

And, as others have Posted here, the next lot probably WILL be smarter, better trained and equipped.

One of the greatest misconceptions about 9-11 is the size of the blow is evidence of great expertise. The attackers were not entirely without tradecraft but it was a messy affair which if the American security services had been marginally competent would have had a very low chance of success. The original plan involved 12 aircraft what it got cut down to was still a logistical nightmare.

One metric is illuminating. The optimal size for a terrorist cell is twelve people. This provides operational clout as well as being small enough to have a decent chance of secrecy. PIRA ran smaller 5 or 6 man cells as this they learnt was the largest cell likely to survive for a useful period in the tight security environment of the 6C. The Hamburg cell was a sprawling network of over 70 people, German intelligence were within days of scooping them up.

This isn't to say there is not some genius at work in bringing down the twin towers. Methodologically this attack was a never to be repeated Black Swan. It relied entirely on compliant airline practices developed over years of hostage based hijackings. The senior plotters had a deep practical knowledge of airlines as a target. The target was very well chosen both in terms of engineering, symbolism and most importantly economic impact.

What makes a group good at terrorism is practice. PIRA built of a long terrorist tradition and were remarkably quick studies but did appear fools at the start. AQ developed some skills in the civil war that followed the Soviet retreat from Afghanistan. Prior to this they were hilariously inept. Neither are in the class of HA or Qods Force.

The Iraqi insurgency has produced very able groups but their method is reliant on a supply of boneheaded human ordinance from the Gulf Kingships. This allows a lose command structure to preserve itself and build expertise.

There is no prospect of such a beast developing in the UK. Cells will remain rather small or will be discovered, this limits operational effectiveness, particularly when the key method is the martyrdom operation. A twelve man cell is good for maybe two attacks. Despite the easy availability of munitions in Eastern Europe supply networks will likely be beyond them. We may be blessed with "special needs" terrorism for some time. That does not rule out more 07/07s, any numpty lab technician can cook up TATP and we have a very well educated population of possible recruits. In Madrid a few reformed drug dealers put together a far more impressive operation. This presents an insoluble security problem.

Consider this though: if we continue to react to modest threats like the recent wave of attacks with hysterical and ineffective security measures we considerably multiply the effectiveness of these muppets. If causing a small fire at a regional airport can disrupt the entire airline system and through the whole country into high alert status what need is there for them to ever learn the trade?

Viewed in this way the shambles in Glasgow might very well seem worthwhile. This operation probably cost as much as a Ford Transit and the economic damage must be in the tens of millions.

For all their training as doctors, they aren't too hot are they (apart from one).

Saying that these bods are part of AQ is just SS/Gobment bullsh!t spin. These guys were knobends who didn't have a clue thank fcuk, and no backing apart from a couple of vehicles which anyone on a doctor's salary could have afforded.

These guys were definately from the 'Specials', and maybe even Weekend Warriors to boot.

And just to prove that Scotland is, first and foremost, Scotland, one of those interviewed about how quickly GA got back to normal business was... Alex McLeish.

Laughable to some it may seem regarding the recent incidents at London/Glasgow , the worry is that the security services reacted and were not proactive in preventing it happening, think of all the other targets available .Have a laugh at their ineptitute like i did but the next one we may not be so lucky

Originally Posted by alib

Originally Posted by Werewolf

Originally Posted by labrat

Surely this is somewhat the nature of the beast? - if you're relying on your terrorist campaign on people who you have indoctrinated into being willing to die in the process, then by definition you're not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box are you?

Add to this, the whole ethos of suicide bombing - the lack of an escape plan - would indicate a lackof planning and preperation which is likley to reflect itself in the other stages of the operation, such as actually finding out if your devices stand a chance of working before using them... (of course, suicide bombing sort of precludes carrying out a practice run doesnt it!)

What, like the "tools" who managed to learn to fly aircraft in the USA itself, smuggle knives on board four airplanes, hijack them and carry out the single greatest act of terrrorism the world has ever known?

If that's what stupid terrorists can do...I'd hate to meet the SMART ones!

Hate your enemy as much as you like. But never underestimate him.

And, as others have Posted here, the next lot probably WILL be smarter, better trained and equipped.

One of the greatest misconceptions about 9-11 is the size of the blow is evidence of great expertise. The attackers were not entirely without tradecraft but it was a messy affair which if the American security services had been marginally competent would have had a very low chance of success. The original plan involved 12 aircraft what it got cut down to was still a logistical nightmare.

One metric is illuminating. The optimal size for a terrorist cell is twelve people. This provides operational clout as well as being small enough to have a decent chance of secrecy. PIRA ran smaller 5 or 6 man cells as this they learnt was the largest cell likely to survive for a useful period in the tight security environment of the 6C. The Hamburg cell was a sprawling network of over 70 people, German intelligence were within days of scooping them up.

This isn't to say there is not some genius at work in bringing down the twin towers. Methodologically this attack was a never to be repeated Black Swan. It relied entirely on compliant airline practices developed over years of hostage based hijackings. The senior plotters had a deep practical knowledge of airlines as a target. The target was very well chosen both in terms of engineering, symbolism and most importantly economic impact.

What makes a group good at terrorism is practice. PIRA built of a long terrorist tradition and were remarkably quick studies but did appear fools at the start. AQ developed some skills in the civil war that followed the Soviet retreat from Afghanistan. Prior to this they were hilariously inept. Neither are in the class of HA or Qods Force.

The Iraqi insurgency has produced very able groups but their method is reliant on a supply of boneheaded human ordinance from the Gulf Kingships. This allows a lose command structure to preserve itself and build expertise.

There is no prospect of such a beast developing in the UK. Cells will remain rather small or will be discovered, this limits operational effectiveness, particularly when the key method is the martyrdom operation. A twelve man cell is good for maybe two attacks. Despite the easy availability of munitions in Eastern Europe supply networks will likely be beyond them. We may be blessed with "special needs" terrorism for some time. That does not rule out more 07/07s, any numpty lab technician can cook up TATP and we have a very well educated population of possible recruits. In Madrid a few reformed drug dealers put together a far more impressive operation. This presents an insoluble security problem.

Consider this though: if we continue to react to modest threats like the recent wave of attacks with hysterical and ineffective security measures we considerably multiply the effectiveness of these muppets. If causing a small fire at a regional airport can disrupt the entire airline system and through the whole country into high alert status what need is there for them to ever learn the trade?

Viewed in this way the shambles in Glasgow might very well seem worthwhile. This operation probably cost as much as a Ford Transit and the economic damage must be in the tens of millions.

Interesting points. I agree that the over-reaction to events in London and Glasgow pretty much did the terrorist's work for them; as Lenin said, the purpose of terrorism is to terrorise. By this standard, the terrorists enjoyed some measure of success. Front page headlines around the world, 24 media coverage...and blokes like us writing about it on the Net!

I also agree that the chances of a full-on Iraq style insurgancy in the UK are slim; there simply are'nt that many dangerously-stupid cnuts about.

Do the maths: we've had one highly successful(from their point of view)terrorist attack in the Uk and three that failed(21/7, London and Glasgow).

This does not mean that we can be complacent. Suicide bomber, by defination, are potentially the most dangerous of terrorists. The ones who DO get through are going to make a fcuking big mess. With a bit more luck and skill, the terrorists would have killed hundreds over the weekend.

And sooner or later, they're going to get smarter: they are going to stop hitting people and go after targets that would have a massive impact on the ability of this country to function. The essential infrastructure.

Did you see the suicide oil tanker they tried to ram up the beach in Newcastle (the one down here) the other day?! Pathetic. They all got stuck and needed rescuing - how embarrassing!