Thread: "We must attack Iran."

Originally Posted by craftsmanx

Just a thought (playing Devil's advocate) If it's OK for us and the USA to have nuclear weapons ,with our really predictable and steady leaders, why not Iran and even North Korea for that matter?. I hope to God they never do but who are we to tell them?

Because the USA and UK are God's Chosen People, while Iranians are the Spawns of Satan!

It must be true: George Bush said it, and we all know he has a direct line to God.

Seriously, it will have kicked off long before British troops are sent there. The Iranians will chuck some instant sunshine at Israel, or the Red Sea Pedestrians will get their retaliation in first.

Either way: glass carpark time.

If we do invade Iran next is there any chance I wonder that we could be a tad more careful this time round, and not wipe out tens of thousands of them (oh well who's counting) with 'shock and awe'?
After all the half dozen Iranians I have met over the years are all totally smashing people.. and it would be such a shame to see a repeat performance

Good, the sooner the better, if nothing else it will disrupt their supply of weaponry to the Iraq / Afghanistan theatre of Ops

Originally Posted by Fallschirmmongsturm

Excellent idea John - here's yer rifle, beltkit and helmet. Now off you go in that direction.

What a fcuking tool. Does anyone honestly think that the Iranians are not going to reply to any attack on their territory ? AQ are children compared to the asymmetric capabilities of the Iranians.

And they invented chess...

Indeed the Shah's game. You can always tell when the Americans are rattled, they can't resist stepping up the rhetoric. It would be funny except eveytime they do it 1000s of people die, and they invariably lose. The fall of the Soviet block had more to do with a rigid economic system faced with the fluidity of liberal capitalist economics than it ever did with wars won or lost. A lesson the party learnt too late in the CCCP, but China is understanding all too well.

I believe the US colloquial for this is 'Fronting'.

Originally Posted by danielsan

I thought ran had very little in the way of Oil rserves - hence the rationing within their own borders, and their keen desire to annexe southern Iraq?

No, they have huge reserves of both crude oil and natural gas but they lack the large-sale capability to refine it properly into viable export product. Rationing exists because they are trying to sell as much as possible to boost their revenues. On top of that, all of their shipping points are within the Persian Gulf so any attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz would hurt them most of all. They are trying to build up the port at Chah Bahar to become a major refining and shipping port as it is on the Arabian Sea, but they lost out on major Chinese funding to Gwadar in Pakistan.

One interesting area to watch is the on-going Iranian attempt to set up an oil bourse, to rival the IPE in London and the NYMEX in New York, but trading in Euros, instead of dollars. Possibility of serious upset to global oil market and further weakening of the dollar.

Does PAX go any higher than 35 units? I need an upgrade...

Originally Posted by CarpeDiem

Originally Posted by danielsan

I thought ran had very little in the way of Oil rserves - hence the rationing within their own borders, and their keen desire to annexe southern Iraq?

No, they have huge reserves of both crude oil and natural gas but they lack the large-sale capability to refine it properly into viable export product. Rationing exists because they are trying to sell as much as possible to boost their revenues. On top of that, all of their shipping points are within the Persian Gulf so any attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz would hurt them most of all. They are trying to build up the port at Chah Bahar to become a major refining and shipping port as it is on the Arabian Sea, but they lost out on major Chinese funding to Gwadar in Pakistan.

One interesting area to watch is the on-going Iranian attempt to set up an oil bourse, to rival the IPE in London and the NYMEX in New York, but trading in Euros, instead of dollars. Possibility of serious upset to global oil market and further weakening of the dollar.

Trueism. There's been heaps written in the last 3 years on this (i.e. economic and political commentary), google 'Dollar hegemony' for multiple hits...

Originally Posted by crabtastic

Should point out that we had a hand in the overthrow of Mossadegh in 1953. It was us who told the Spams he was a communist after he nationalised the Oil Industry (dominated by what would become BP) and we were fcuking them about for 50 years before that.

Should also point out that Mossadegh was democratically elected and was pro-western/modern ideas. His downfall was being nationalistic as you described.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh

Originally Posted by Biped

Look, look I have a signed declaration from Herr Havandinnerjacket in which he emphasises his respect agenda for the British and Septics. Rejoice, for there will be no nuclear war! Our nicely-nicely approach is not in the least bit reminiscent of appeasement. We are tough on nuclear war, tough on the causes of nuclear war. Let me say it again, and read my lips: Appeashment, Appeashment, Appeasment!!!

Forgive me if I'm incorrect but wasn't appeasement about letting one country invade another but no more? Then letting the same country invade another but no more? And so on? It seems to me it's the USA that has been appeased as Iran has not invaded anyone? Besides, the policy of the cockeyed cowboy and his poodle has resulted in at least 3 new nuclear powers, possible as many as 5 in the near future (dont think for a minute that Libya has stopped).

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by CarpeDiem

Originally Posted by danielsan

I thought ran had very little in the way of Oil rserves - hence the rationing within their own borders, and their keen desire to annexe southern Iraq?

No, they have huge reserves of both crude oil and natural gas but they lack the large-sale capability to refine it properly into viable export product. Rationing exists because they are trying to sell as much as possible to boost their revenues. On top of that, all of their shipping points are within the Persian Gulf so any attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz would hurt them most of all. They are trying to build up the port at Chah Bahar to become a major refining and shipping port as it is on the Arabian Sea, but they lost out on major Chinese funding to Gwadar in Pakistan.

One interesting area to watch is the on-going Iranian attempt to set up an oil bourse, to rival the IPE in London and the NYMEX in New York, but trading in Euros, instead of dollars. Possibility of serious upset to global oil market and further weakening of the dollar.

Trueism. There's been heaps written in the last 3 years on this (i.e. economic and political commentary), google 'Dollar hegemony' for multiple hits...

I did look up your word, and it was coined by a Chinese writer. Glad they fully understand the concept of a global economy.

Further research brought me to some rather anti-US at all costs websites which work very hard at pushing their point with some rather obfuscated pie charts and unsubstantiated finger pointing.

The same site focused on the Harri Christyna, socialism, and as soon as I saw the article focusing on how Hugo Chavez speaks the truth I closed the browser.

How can we take you seriously now.

Originally Posted by ghost_us

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by CarpeDiem

Originally Posted by danielsan

I thought ran had very little in the way of Oil rserves - hence the rationing within their own borders, and their keen desire to annexe southern Iraq?

No, they have huge reserves of both crude oil and natural gas but they lack the large-sale capability to refine it properly into viable export product. Rationing exists because they are trying to sell as much as possible to boost their revenues. On top of that, all of their shipping points are within the Persian Gulf so any attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz would hurt them most of all. They are trying to build up the port at Chah Bahar to become a major refining and shipping port as it is on the Arabian Sea, but they lost out on major Chinese funding to Gwadar in Pakistan.

One interesting area to watch is the on-going Iranian attempt to set up an oil bourse, to rival the IPE in London and the NYMEX in New York, but trading in Euros, instead of dollars. Possibility of serious upset to global oil market and further weakening of the dollar.

Trueism. There's been heaps written in the last 3 years on this (i.e. economic and political commentary), google 'Dollar hegemony' for multiple hits...

I did look up your word, and it was coined by a Chinese writer. Glad they fully understand the concept of a global economy.

Further research brought me to some rather anti-US at all costs websites which work very hard at pushing their point with some rather obfuscated pie charts and unsubstantiated finger pointing.

The same site focused on the Harri Christyna, socialism, and as soon as I saw the article focusing on how Hugo Chavez speaks the truth I closed the browser.

How can we take you seriously now.

Funny that as the first 4 hits I get when I use google are...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...hegemony&meta=

leading to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony

http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_.../GF24Dj01.html

and

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...6/cr021506.htm

The article I was thinking about was in The Economist as I recall, can't be bothered to trawl the google results for the specific...

Are you using a subverted and dissenting version of google????

If so can I have the URL.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by ghost_us

I did look up your word, and it was coined by a Chinese writer. Glad they fully understand the concept of a global economy.

I refer the 'gentleman' to the reply I gave earlier...

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by Fallschirmmongsturm

Excellent idea John - here's yer rifle, beltkit and helmet. Now off you go in that direction.

What a fcuking tool. Does anyone honestly think that the Iranians are not going to reply to any attack on their territory ? AQ are children compared to the asymmetric capabilities of the Iranians.

And they invented chess...

Indeed the Shah's game. You can always tell when the Americans are rattled, they can't resist stepping up the rhetoric. It would be funny except eveytime they do it 1000s of people die, and they invariably lose. The fall of the Soviet block had more to do with a rigid economic system faced with the fluidity of liberal capitalist economics than it ever did with wars won or lost. A lesson the party learnt too late in the CCCP, but China is understanding all too well.

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by ghost_us

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by CarpeDiem

Originally Posted by danielsan

I thought ran had very little in the way of Oil rserves - hence the rationing within their own borders, and their keen desire to annexe southern Iraq?

No, they have huge reserves of both crude oil and natural gas but they lack the large-sale capability to refine it properly into viable export product. Rationing exists because they are trying to sell as much as possible to boost their revenues. On top of that, all of their shipping points are within the Persian Gulf so any attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz would hurt them most of all. They are trying to build up the port at Chah Bahar to become a major refining and shipping port as it is on the Arabian Sea, but they lost out on major Chinese funding to Gwadar in Pakistan.

One interesting area to watch is the on-going Iranian attempt to set up an oil bourse, to rival the IPE in London and the NYMEX in New York, but trading in Euros, instead of dollars. Possibility of serious upset to global oil market and further weakening of the dollar.

Trueism. There's been heaps written in the last 3 years on this (i.e. economic and political commentary), google 'Dollar hegemony' for multiple hits...

I did look up your word, and it was coined by a Chinese writer. Glad they fully understand the concept of a global economy.

Further research brought me to some rather anti-US at all costs websites which work very hard at pushing their point with some rather obfuscated pie charts and unsubstantiated finger pointing.

The same site focused on the Harri Christyna, socialism, and as soon as I saw the article focusing on how Hugo Chavez speaks the truth I closed the browser.

How can we take you seriously now.

Funny that as the first 4 hits I get when I use google are...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...hegemony&meta=

leading to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony

http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_.../GF24Dj01.html

and

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...6/cr021506.htm

The article I was thinking about was in The Economist as I recall, can't be bothered to trawl the google results for the specific...

Are you using a subverted and dissenting version of google????

If so can I have the URL.

Thanks.

Ron Paul is one septic you have to admit has common sense.

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by ghost_us

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by CarpeDiem

Originally Posted by danielsan

I thought ran had very little in the way of Oil rserves - hence the rationing within their own borders, and their keen desire to annexe southern Iraq?

No, they have huge reserves of both crude oil and natural gas but they lack the large-sale capability to refine it properly into viable export product. Rationing exists because they are trying to sell as much as possible to boost their revenues. On top of that, all of their shipping points are within the Persian Gulf so any attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz would hurt them most of all. They are trying to build up the port at Chah Bahar to become a major refining and shipping port as it is on the Arabian Sea, but they lost out on major Chinese funding to Gwadar in Pakistan.

One interesting area to watch is the on-going Iranian attempt to set up an oil bourse, to rival the IPE in London and the NYMEX in New York, but trading in Euros, instead of dollars. Possibility of serious upset to global oil market and further weakening of the dollar.

Trueism. There's been heaps written in the last 3 years on this (i.e. economic and political commentary), google 'Dollar hegemony' for multiple hits...

I did look up your word, and it was coined by a Chinese writer. Glad they fully understand the concept of a global economy.

Further research brought me to some rather anti-US at all costs websites which work very hard at pushing their point with some rather obfuscated pie charts and unsubstantiated finger pointing.

The same site focused on the Harri Christyna, socialism, and as soon as I saw the article focusing on how Hugo Chavez speaks the truth I closed the browser.

How can we take you seriously now.

Funny that as the first 4 hits I get when I use google are...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...hegemony&meta=

leading to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony

http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_.../GF24Dj01.html

and

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...6/cr021506.htm

The article I was thinking about was in The Economist as I recall, can't be bothered to trawl the google results for the specific...

Are you using a subverted and dissenting version of google????

If so can I have the URL.

Thanks.

I must have.

First hit is:
http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html
Written by Henry CK Liu

Second Hit:
http://www.sacw.net/free/rohini_marinella30012005.html
Lovely site by the South East Asia Citizens Web (Sounds an aweful lot like the peoples government voice of reason) Woohoo teach me the way to enlightenment uncle Mao.

Third Hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony
Wikipedia (Must be true if it's written there!) pointing to post number one.

This was the fourth hit:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...26hegemony.htm
Written by Sukumar Muralidharan which looks like a re-write from Front Line India. No agendas there I suppose.


This is the 5th hit. Lovely site with lots of Anti-America rhetoric. Hugo Chavez is a big hit there.
http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

I think it's time for Americans to coin a term for the British US haters: miasmatics - It's simply too fitting.

Google queries hit regional databases... so results are differant from nation to nation.

Far as a pet name for those who perpetually insult Americans... meh... I suspect the bulk of them have never actually met an American outside that obnoxious tourist couple from Cleveland who are considered vulgar by even their own offspring.

Originally Posted by ghost_us

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by ghost_us

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Originally Posted by CarpeDiem

Originally Posted by danielsan

I thought ran had very little in the way of Oil rserves - hence the rationing within their own borders, and their keen desire to annexe southern Iraq?

No, they have huge reserves of both crude oil and natural gas but they lack the large-sale capability to refine it properly into viable export product. Rationing exists because they are trying to sell as much as possible to boost their revenues. On top of that, all of their shipping points are within the Persian Gulf so any attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz would hurt them most of all. They are trying to build up the port at Chah Bahar to become a major refining and shipping port as it is on the Arabian Sea, but they lost out on major Chinese funding to Gwadar in Pakistan.

One interesting area to watch is the on-going Iranian attempt to set up an oil bourse, to rival the IPE in London and the NYMEX in New York, but trading in Euros, instead of dollars. Possibility of serious upset to global oil market and further weakening of the dollar.

Trueism. There's been heaps written in the last 3 years on this (i.e. economic and political commentary), google 'Dollar hegemony' for multiple hits...

I did look up your word, and it was coined by a Chinese writer. Glad they fully understand the concept of a global economy.

Further research brought me to some rather anti-US at all costs websites which work very hard at pushing their point with some rather obfuscated pie charts and unsubstantiated finger pointing.

The same site focused on the Harri Christyna, socialism, and as soon as I saw the article focusing on how Hugo Chavez speaks the truth I closed the browser.

How can we take you seriously now.

Funny that as the first 4 hits I get when I use google are...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...hegemony&meta=

leading to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony

http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_.../GF24Dj01.html

and

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...6/cr021506.htm

The article I was thinking about was in The Economist as I recall, can't be bothered to trawl the google results for the specific...

Are you using a subverted and dissenting version of google????

If so can I have the URL.

Thanks.

I must have.

First hit is:
http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html
Written by Henry CK Liu

Second Hit:
http://www.sacw.net/free/rohini_marinella30012005.html
Lovely site by the South East Asia Citizens Web (Sounds an aweful lot like the peoples government voice of reason) Woohoo teach me the way to enlightenment uncle Mao.

Third Hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony
Wikipedia (Must be true if it's written there!) pointing to post number one.

This was the fourth hit:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...26hegemony.htm
Written by Sukumar Muralidharan which looks like a re-write from Front Line India. No agendas there I suppose.


This is the 5th hit. Lovely site with lots of Anti-America rhetoric. Hugo Chavez is a big hit there.
http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

I think it's time for Americans to coin a term for the British US haters: miasmatics - It's simply too fitting.

Well (you didn't post the Google search URL, so I must assume) you must be using Google.com as opposed to Google.co.uk. There is an axiom that you usually will find what you are looking for; true of academic research, life goals, general searching, and á la self fulfilling prophecy.

I didn't realise that Google used different algorithms for their different sites; I suspect it works on LCD.