Thread: "We must attack Iran."

Originally Posted by nigegilb

Poor old George Tenet. trying to blame the neocons. A bit like John Scarlett trying to blame Tony Blair for 45 min WMD. Thing is John Scarlett, got promoted out of his incompetence.....

Either you've read the Hastings' review, or you've read Hastings' mind.

"Quite why the US decided to turn the Iranians who spontaneously demonstrated in support of the US post 9/11 into Ahmadinejad voters with some of the most moronic foreign policy moves ever beats me."

Much as unreconstructed Communists are wont to do, perhaps you simply don't understand history. I think that's a fair assumption given your amusing charicature of the United States.

Even so, yours is a curious statement when one considers that the UK invaded Iraq as well - which of course was exactly the right thing to do - in common purpose with its closest ally: to slaughter its enemies without pity or remorse.

I certainly have none. I'm tickled pink the coalition partners invaded Iraq, destroyed the Baath party, imposed representative government, but not its composition and most happily of all, fed Saddam Hussein to the worms - all of which were victories you are unwilling or unable to recognize. Meanwhile, the coalition is busy hunting and killing Al Qaedniks. Thank goodness.

I mock your stupidity and cartoonish self-hate.

The European Left, tied as it is to Islamism in a farcical embrace of radical chic, has competely abrogated its moral authority. No, not biased. Just for the other side.

Iran is certainly one of our enemies and it is simply a matter of time before its nuclear program is decommissioned - whether by Europe and the United States, or perhaps simply a coalition of the willing.

I have faith that Gordon Brown will not tolerate Iranian nuclear weapons - and I have faith he understands the utility of military force to humiliate and emasculate malignant Iranian Shiist totalitarianism.

Europe must lead because history calls. Gordon Brown is the man to do it.

Originally Posted by Lipo

... I'm tickled pink...

Steady, Joe McCarthy would have had you down as a Commie or a faggot with that kind of confession.... But that's OK, we'd vouchsafe that you were merely a gormless cnut.

Lipo, not quite sure you realise that our cupboard is bare. Even if Gordon thought attacking Iran was a good idea, the best we could manage would be a few SF assets. As for the US you have run your train set into the ground over the wrong enemy. The US is only in a position to effect air strikes. The reponse from Iran who knows. US Armed Forces are being badly damaged by this war. It will take a number of years to recover, admitted by your own Generals. ALQ did not exist in Iraq before our invasion. Waste of time mate. Remember we fought this war over WMD now we are going to hand WMD to our more natural enemy the regime in Tehran. Where is Phoney Toney now? Why is UK Govt so quiet over the Iranians developing their own WMD. Strategy my arrse.

Funny old world innit?

Originally Posted by Lipo

im a complete wardodging chuckoo, and i acknowledge that i would be mad to sign up and serve in a war when i can incite others to carry out the ravings of FOX news.

yes you are yes you are indeed

Alas... latter intel coups proved that McCarthy actually was right as far as the extent of Soviet infiltration. If he proceeded with a subtle investigation rather than going on such a lunatic witch hunt he might of actually been successfull in rooting them out. Anyway, that has no bearing on the subject at hand.

One truism concerning atomic and nuclear weaponry is it's posession has so far made nations better neighbors... even India and Pakistan toned down the rhetoric against one another when it became apparent that overt conflict would lead to a classic MAD scenario. One has to look hard to find a pair of nation states who had as much animosity towards their neighbor than those two. No national leader, no matter how beligerant they appear to outsiders, desires to be the one who dooms their populace to erradication.

Originally Posted by nigegilb

Lipo, not quite sure you realise that our cupboard is bare. Even if Gordon thought attacking Iran was a good idea, the best we could manage would be a few SF assets. As for the US you have run your train set into the ground over the wrong enemy. The US is only in a position to effect air strikes. The reponse from Iran who knows. US Armed Forces are being badly damaged by this war. It will take a number of years to recover, admitted by your own Generals. ALQ did not exist in Iraq before our invasion. Waste of time mate. Remember we fought this war over WMD now we are going to hand WMD to our more natural enemy the regime in Tehran. Where is Phoney Toney now? Why is UK Govt so quiet over the Iranians developing their own WMD. Strategy my arrse.

Funny old world innit?

You might have added that - against an enemy who is determied not to lose their key military assets and protects/conceals them, and takes pains to distort BDA - the effects of strikes conducted entirely from the air are (as evidenced in Serbia, for example) seldom if ever decisive.

But I thinke Lipo's untrained, un-military mind gets its assessment of what uncle Sam's weapons can do, from the pages of Marvel comics. :D

[quote="Lipo"]

Even so, yours is a curious statement when one considers that the UK invaded Iraq as well - which of course was exactly the right thing to do - in common purpose with its closest ally: to slaughter its enemies without pity or remorse.

I rather think we went in there for Regime change, not wholesale slaughter.

I certainly have none. I'm tickled pink the coalition partners invaded Iraq, destroyed the Baath party, imposed representative government, but not its composition and most happily of all, fed Saddam Hussein to the worms - all of which were victories you are unwilling or unable to recognize. Meanwhile, the coalition is busy hunting and killing Al Qaedniks. Thank goodness.

Truly representative government CANNOT be imposed on a people, and certainly not one where politics and religion go hand in hand.

I have faith that Gordon Brown will not tolerate Iranian nuclear weapons - and I have faith he understands the utility of military force to humiliate and emasculate malignant Iranian Shiist totalitarianism.

I imagine that Gordon Brown knows full well it will be a decade before this country can afford to go to war again. He will be long gone by then.

It's funny (well it isn't really) but the tone of your posts leads me to firmly believe that you have never served in an operational theatre of war, nor seen at first hand the death, destruction and indiscriminate carnage it can cause. I would certainly hope no self respecting British soldier would post in such a manner.

edit - I've just read your later post. You are a cnut.

To all my detractors - if you look closely at my previous post on this thread you'll see that at no point I stated that I wanted to see infidel blood being spilt, or bombs going off in Britain.

That's just assumption on your part...and some brusque language on my part.

Just for the record i've never justified terrorism and considering I was actually in London on 7/7 it would be a touch illogical no?

However I stand by my prediction that an attack on Iran will lead to further radicalisation and terrorism and that America and the West will reap an extremely bitter fruit from such a foolish policy.

Taz, that's a bit like saying, I'm not a racist, but...

IRA existed on a tide of goodwill in NI. Likewise tha Nazis had the nod of approval from the middle classes.

Nods as good as a wink to a blind man...

Originally Posted by Taz_786

To all my detractors - if you look closely at my previous post on this thread you'll see that at no point I stated that I wanted to see infidel blood being spilt, or bombs going off in Britain.

That's just assumption on your part...and some brusque language on my part.

Just for the record i've never justified terrorism and considering I was actually in London on 7/7 it would be a touch illogical no?

However I stand by my prediction that an attack on Iran will lead to further radicalisation and terrorism and that America and the West will reap an extremely bitter fruit from such a foolish policy.

I object to being called an infidel you cnut as it's a deragatory and bigoted term.

In islam it means unbeliever fair enough, but in the UK in modern times it's no better than a white guy calling an asian person a paki.

Originally Posted by Taz_786

To all my detractors - if you look closely at my previous post on this thread you'll see that at no point I stated that I wanted to see infidel blood being spilt, or bombs going off in Britain.

That's just assumption on your part...and some brusque language on my part.

Just for the record i've never justified terrorism and considering I was actually in London on 7/7 it would be a touch illogical no?

However I stand by my prediction that an attack on Iran will lead to further radicalisation and terrorism and that America and the West will reap an extremely bitter fruit from such a foolish policy.

You are an apologist for islamic terrorism, you disgust me, you made a threat and now you are backtracking.

You were in London on 7/7 so what, my sister was as well, the difference is she hasn't made threats like you.

From the people 'who watch Fox so you don't have to!!!' (LOL)...another broadcast from our friend Mr. Bolton. Don't have any headphones in the office so can't hear a word he says, will listen when I get home. Meanwhile it will just have to remain comedy á la Harold Llyod, just not as high brow...

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Originally Posted by Taz_786

You've got that bit right, and for the next 500 years as well.

If anyone thinks for one second that the ordinary british people are going to just sit on its backside while Al quida launches another terrorist incidedent on British soil then they are sadly mistaken.

The hatred and enmity that will follow an attack on the UK is going to last generations and the consequences are going to be disastrous.

Brits are going to be outraged and quite frankly want blood, and believe you me plenty of paki blood is going to flow. being out and about is going to be very dangerous for muslims for the next hundred years or so.

In fact I wouldnt be surprised if there were race riots in Europe, thats what a BNP counciler told me he feared most, just the other week.

Let's put things into perspective, if you where a non-muslim and you wrote the above I and many others would be calling for you to get badged an O2 theif and get booted off the site.

Originally Posted by Taz_786

To all my detractors - if you look closely at my previous post on this thread you'll see that at no point I stated that I wanted to see infidel blood being spilt, or bombs going off in Britain.

That's just assumption on your part...and some brusque language on my part.

Just for the record i've never justified terrorism and considering I was actually in London on 7/7 it would be a touch illogical no?

However I stand by my prediction that an attack on Iran will lead to further radicalisation and terrorism and that America and the West will reap an extremely bitter fruit from such a foolish policy.

It would appear to me that either a)You wanted people to think you wanted blood spilt, or B) you are now backing down from your original point of view.

I would take this opportunity to remind you of the current set of incitement and other laws we have in place in this green and pleasant land.