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The Police need to have a more free reign ,they need to be protected from criminals sueing them for doing their job ,the need the ablilty to give some toerag a smack when needed .The Judge dredd approach of i am the law you will do as i say or else would suffice .The way this country is going we will be sued by scumbags for not carrying enough money in our wallets for their drug habits when they rob us .
There should be the ability for them to say Oi pack it in or your will get a thick ear ,end of ,no claim for ploice brutallity and compo

we need to stop the compo culture that our friends the septics gave us and give the cops some balls and back up at high level .Bring back hard labour for criminals prison sounds like a holiday camp then maybe they wouldnt be so keen to reoffend .

Originally Posted by The_Glove

I am sixteen and still at school and i personaly think that teachers should be allowed to hit pupils. If they were i know i would learn alot more than i am now. A perfect example would be that kid that pulled the trousers down on the teacher and stuck it on the web, yeah okay it made me laugh, but he should have got a smack. Parents should also crack down on their children as shold the goverment cut down all the bullsh1t legislation and let the police start to crack down on all the chavs and sh1ts and so on.

i feel alot better now :D

Nice little twist on your tale there fella. Keep it up.

2/10 - must try harder

Talking from personal experience, I think one of the problems is a crappy courts system and lack of proper deterrents.

One day last summer I was out jogging in broad daylight down a quiet path along the local river. I had the misfortunate to bump into three chavvy teenage junkies. One of them was completely off his head on something or other. He had totally lost self control. I'm getting on a bit and was out of shape at the time so I couldnt run off.

They demanded that I handed over my wallet, credit cards, phone etc. Since I was out jogging I didnt have any of these on me. Strangley they didn't seem to be interested in my £800 watch They thought I was holding out on them. They threatened to stab me, to kill me etc.

I tried to calm things down a bit and tried to walk away only to get assaulted from behind. After a bit of punch up they legged it.

The police did their job for once and caught the ring leader which wasnt too hard since he was covered in his own blood. He resisted arrest and was found to have drugs on him.

This lad turns out to be 17 years old and barely literate. He pleaded guilty in court. I really can't see how he's going to have any sort of honest future.

What do you think his punishment was? He got 100 hrs community service and £100 fine payable to me which took 6 months to arrive.

I dont think this was nearly enough and will hardly deter him from doing this again. If he went off to youth detention centre for a few months he might think twice next time he wants to get high.

I also read an article in the papers say that the youth courts where in a shambles with many cases being dismissed due to lost paper work.

How can we have law and order when the teenagers dont respect the law and know they will get only minor punishments?

Your lucky Jastus i'm surprised you didnt get charged for splashing blood on his top. Im also surprised you got the pittance of the money he owed you and he didnt have to pay it off at a £1 a year. Sorry to hear about your ordeal in some respect it was lucky it happened to someone who could still handle himself rather than an OAP etc.

Originally Posted by Jastus

Talking from personal, experience I think one of the problems is a crappy courts system and lack of proper deterrents.

One day last summer I was out jogging in broad daylight down a quiet path along the local river. I had the misfortunate to bump into three chavvy teenage junkies. One of them was completely off his head on something or other. He had totally lost self control. I'm getting on a bit and was out of shape at the time so I couldnt run off.

They demanded that I handed over my wallet, credit cards, phone etc. Since I was out jogging I didnt have any of these on me. Strangley they didn't seem to be interested in my £800 watch They thought I was holding out on them. They threatened to stab me, to kill me etc.

I tried to calm things down a bit and tried to walk away only to get assaulted from behind. After a bit of punch up they legged it.

The police did their job for once and caught the ring leader which wasnt too hard since he was covered in his own blood. He resisted arrest and was found to have drugs on him.

This lad turns out to be 17 years old and barely literate. He pleaded guilty in court. I really can't see how he's going to have any sort of honest future.

What do you think his punishment was? He got 100 hrs community service and £100 fine payable to me which too 6 months to arrive.

I dont think this was nearly enough and will hardly deter him from doing this again. If he went off to youth detention centre for a few months he might think twice next time he wants to get high.

I also read an article in the papers say that the youth courts where in a shambles with many cases being dismissed due to lost paper work.

How can we have law and order when the teenagers dont respect the law and know they will get only minor punishments?

It won't deter them. Little shits like that wear their punishments like a badge of honour. ASBOs are the equivalent to the Meritorious Service Medal to them

For those at 14-17 years of age I fear it's too late, it's the 4-10 year olds of today that need our attention.

Originally Posted by skintboymike

Originally Posted by Jastus

Talking from personal, experience I think one of the problems is a crappy courts system and lack of proper deterrents.
Here is an example of current punishments for violent knife weilding thugs.
www.dailymail.co.uk/pa...ge_id=1770


One day last summer I was out jogging in broad daylight down a quiet path along the local river. I had the misfortunate to bump into three chavvy teenage junkies. One of them was completely off his head on something or other. He had totally lost self control. I'm getting on a bit and was out of shape at the time so I couldnt run off.

They demanded that I handed over my wallet, credit cards, phone etc. Since I was out jogging I didnt have any of these on me. Strangley they didn't seem to be interested in my £800 watch They thought I was holding out on them. They threatened to stab me, to kill me etc.

I tried to calm things down a bit and tried to walk away only to get assaulted from behind. After a bit of punch up they legged it.

The police did their job for once and caught the ring leader which wasnt too hard since he was covered in his own blood. He resisted arrest and was found to have drugs on him.

This lad turns out to be 17 years old and barely literate. He pleaded guilty in court. I really can't see how he's going to have any sort of honest future.

What do you think his punishment was? He got 100 hrs community service and £100 fine payable to me which too 6 months to arrive.

I dont think this was nearly enough and will hardly deter him from doing this again. If he went off to youth detention centre for a few months he might think twice next time he wants to get high.

I also read an article in the papers say that the youth courts where in a shambles with many cases being dismissed due to lost paper work.

How can we have law and order when the teenagers dont respect the law and know they will get only minor punishments?

It won't deter them. Little shits like that wear their punishments like a badge of honour. ASBOs are the equivalent to the Meritorious Service Medal to them

For those at 14-17 years of age I fear it's too late, it's the 4-10 year olds of today that need our attention.

Originally Posted by qman

Sven.

Why does the inclusion of any 'anti - immigration' rhetoric automatically lead you to label the poster as a 'bigot'. Just because you answered a post previously it does not negate the argument. People are exposed to the real world on a day to day basis and if they beleive that immigration policies both past and present are contributing factors in the state of our communities, then surely the argument should be presented and answered and not reduced to name calling and the brushing aside of the point in question.

You are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is, what you need to remember is, that opinions are like arseho*es everyone has them and they usually stink! I don't agree with any of your posts in the main but I don't feel the need to call you a pis*y livered wan*er who should take their liberal ideals and fu*k off to a country that gives a sh*t now do I?

Lets see.

When a thread commenting on a supposed rise in gang culture gives as two of the choices poor immigration policy with rap it is pointing its finger not at the immigration policy as a whole but at immigrants of a certain colour.

When posters ignore Historical fact in their rush to condemn gang members who aren't white I think it smacks of bigotry.


If posters are really interested in the reasons behind the gang culture (black and white) they could do worse than read Messerschmidts Masculinity and Crime but seeing as Sociology - the studying of society - is viewed by many here as a useless discipline then I doubt I will see His arguements debated here whilst garbage like 'it's all the fault of rap music' and even more bigoted arguements will go on and on and on and on.

and on

Originally Posted by Sven

Lets see.

When a thread commenting on a supposed rise in gang culture gives as two of the choices poor immigration policy with rap it is pointing its finger not at the immigration policy as a whole but at immigrants of a certain colour.

When posters ignore Historical fact in their rush to condemn gang members who aren't white I think it smacks of bigotry.


If posters are really interested in the reasons behind the gang culture (black and white) they could do worse than read Messerschmidts Masculinity and Crime but seeing as Sociology - the studying of society - is viewed by many here as a useless discipline then I doubt I will see His arguements debated here whilst garbage like 'it's all the fault of rap music' and even more bigoted arguements will go on and on and on and on.

and on

A bit like you then.

Kids are victims of peer pressure and will continue to loiter with wrongdoers and troublemakers in the pursuit of a bit of street cred. Isn't it just a little bit surprising that whenever there's talk of a stabbing, gang fighting or general crime in any way, we automatically assume it's someone non-white, before a photo is even shown? The average chav scum who'd key your car or put a brick through your living room window is invariably white. The average kid on the street mixed up in gang culture, leading to stabbings and shootings, is invariably black. The stereotype doesn't always match up, obviously, but stereotypes are created quite easily when their images are constantly plastered all over the meedja. What ethnic background would your average explosive-backpack-wearing person be?

I'm ever so sorry my poll choices didn't live up to your obvious high standards, maybe reading a few more clever books would rectify this. Feel free to add any more poll choices I may have overlooked, and we can discuss them like adults.

I certainly didn't start this thread looking for provocation and petty name calling from a twat such as yourself, sir.