Originally Posted by Bert_Preast

Originally Posted by nigegilb

BP WTF has Kuwait got to do with the invasion of Iraq? Oh and Hitler was planning to invade England. Next question?

No, he wasn't. That's why he offered us peace terms in 1940.

And the whole Iraq thing today stems from the whole Iraq thing in 90/91.

Your first point is silly.

Operation Sealion is well documented and evidenced. Yes Hitler offered peace in 1940 but because he couldn't believe that we would carry the war against them - he thought that we had a lot in common with them.

I was asked in 2004
Have you seen the vid of the A10 taking out the H Cav?
No
It's on my lap top remind me sometime and I'll get it for you
So to the best of my knowledge it's out there and has been for a while
I heard that when the attack went in there was flags and smoke to identify they were Britsh and yet the planes ran back in for a second go
LCoH Hull died in this attack shouldn't his family know the truth?
Just a pity it's not getting the air time that Terry Lloyd (ITN) got
Sven if it was a member of your family would you not want the truth?
Or would you just say it happens and walk away
I know what I'd want
If a coroner is appointed it's up to him to make a desicion and he should have everything available to him regardless who it pisse$ off

Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

I was asked in 2004
Have you seen the vid of the A10 taking out the H Cav?
No
It's on my lap top remind me sometime and I'll get it for you
So to the best of my knowledge it's out there and has been for a while
I heard that when the attack went in there was flags and smoke to identify they were Britsh and yet the planes ran back in for a second go
LCoH Hull died in this attack shouldn't his family know the truth?
Just a pity it's not getting the air time that Terry Lloyd (ITN) got
Sven if it was a member of your family would you not want the truth?
Or would you just say it happens and walk away
I know what I'd want
If a coroner is appointed it's up to him to make a desicion and he should have everything available to him regardless who it pisse$ off

I'll go one better than that.

If it happened to ME then I wouldn't want my family to have known every gory detail. Do You think that the DLI soldiers that died in the last war would want their families to have the regret that they were killed by their own battalions mortars (my reference a 5Live interview with the Sgt Major of the Support company or whatever they called themselves then). Or the families ofany other victims of the hundreds of Blue on Blue that happened before the Iraq War and AFG

If the boot was on the other foot, i.e. UK FGA and an American AFV, do you think they would bother asking the MOD for permission?

I have worked out what Kuwait has got to do with this inquest. The first GW highlighted the need for IFF in British Army vehicles to avoid blue on blue incidents. This recommendation has been ignored. Now we have an inquest concerned with a similar blue on blue incident in a war that took place 12 years later. I would hate to jump to conclusions but guess what? IFF would probably have prevented this incident as well. So why was it not fitted? Err, money? Anyone arguing against the need for these inquests has their head firmly buried in the sand. And as for the MoD failing to disclose evidence, it is of no great surprise. This is not the place for people to comment on the validity of such evidence, no matter how well informed.

Now there we agree.

Originally Posted by Sven

Naive no, but totally inexperienced with regard to the military and its operations.

Sven, you have no evidence to support this wild assertion. It should be withdrawn. Do you, for example, know for sure that the Coroner has no personal military experience, or that he has not had a multiplicity of dealings with the military?

Or maybe you know better? If so perhaps you shoud publish your evidence.

Secondly, this Coroner is not required by any form of law to have such experience. Perhaps you are suggesting that all those involved in this judicial process should have had some military experience?

Finally, there are others - lawyers etc who may be present to represent the family. You'd prefer them and the family to have military experience in order to 'understand' and make judgements? Surely that is not so!

Originally Posted by Sven

Operation Sealion is well documented and evidenced. Yes Hitler offered peace in 1940 but because he couldn't believe that we would carry the war against them - he thought that we had a lot in common with them.

No, he expected us and the French to welch on the treaty with Poland. Getting waaaayyy off topic, if you want to fight it out start another thread or PM me.

Originally Posted by Sven

If it happened to ME then I wouldn't want my family to have known every gory detail. Do You think that the DLI soldiers that died in the last war would want their families to have the regret that they were killed by their own battalions mortars (my reference a 5Live interview with the Sgt Major of the Support company or whatever they called themselves then). Or the families ofany other victims of the hundreds of Blue on Blue that happened before the Iraq War and AFG

Blimey, agree with all of that, too.

Originally Posted by Sven

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I'll go one better than that.

If it happened to ME then I wouldn't want my family to have known every gory detail. Do You think that the DLI soldiers that died in the last war would want their families to have the regret that they were killed by their own battalions mortars (my reference a 5Live interview with the Sgt Major of the Support company or whatever they called themselves then). Or the families ofany other victims of the hundreds of Blue on Blue that happened before the Iraq War and AFG

1. It is in the nature of ANY inquest that sad/distressing details will be heard.

2. In this case, LCoH Matthew Hull's family already know that he died as a result of a blue-on-blue error. You are not saving them from that pain by withholding evidence.

3. As far as I am aware, the family have made it crystal clear that they (a) wish the inquest to be held and (b) expect material evidence to be heard.