Europe Commits Suicide

**Seadog** · 05-09-2005, 11:28

The Italian writer Oriana Fallaci is facing jail after suggesting in her book 'The Force of Reason' that Islam and the West's attitude to it puts the West in grave danger. Her most strident Muslim opponent (in Italy) is suspected of calling upon Muslims to eliminate her. So she may have a point?

Its astringent thesis is that the Old Continent is on the verge of becoming a dominion of Islam and that the people of the West have surrendered themselves fecklessly to the "sons of Allah". So, in a nutshell, Fallaci faces up to two years' imprisonment for her beliefs - which is one reason why she has chosen to stay in New York. Let us give thanks for the First Amendment.

"When I was given the news, I laughed," Fallaci says of her indictment. "Bitterly, of course, but I laughed. No amusement, no surprise, because the trial is nothing else but a demonstration that everything I've written is true."

An activist judge in Bergamo, in northern Italy, took it upon himself to admit a complaint against Fallaci that even the local prosecutors would not touch. The complainant, one Adel Smith - who, despite his name, is Muslim, and an incendiary public provocateur to boot - has a history of anti-Fallaci crankiness and is widely believed to be behind the publication of a pamphlet, Islam Punishes Oriana Fallaci, which exhorts Muslims to "eliminate" her.

Full interview with Oriana Fallaci here. Powerful, eloquent (I'm assuming she gave the interview in English) stuff.

Oriana Fallaci

I for one, if it's not too Nazi for Arrse, agree with her.

**Plastic Yank** · 05-09-2005, 11:33

saw same article and thought it an excellent example of the state of hypocracy within western europe of freedom of speech.

it is a shame that the leftie liberal media refuse to follow this, but anyone who suggests that europeans should be proud of their history and (individual) cultures (and dares to praise the Pope) is obviously of no consequence to them.

**castlereagh** · 05-09-2005, 11:52

Darn those 'free speech' hating Italians

ADEL SMITH, 6 MONTHS SENTENCE FOR DEFAMING RELIGION
(AGI) - Padua, Italy, Jun 14 - Adel Smith, President of the Union of Italian
Muslims, was sentenced by the Padua court to 6 months in prison, converted
to a fine (over 6,000 euro), for the crime of defaming religion. On January
4, 2003, Adel Smith, during a TV program broadcast live on the Paduan
channel 'Serenissima Tv' made accusations against the Catholic church
defining it as "criminal association" and against Pope John Paul II, defined
as "a foreign man who heads the church" and "able double-crosser. [...] I
declared undeniable modern historic facts: for this reason I do not regret
my declarations. It seems to me that the sentence is political. I am very
curious to know what those think who yesterday invoked the freedom of
judgment and criticism today: is it so for me too?" Smith said he will
appeal against the sentence and if necessary will resort to European courts
"until he is acquitted." "I am confident and sure that at the end I will have justice." (AGI)

No link, story from factiva.

**Spanner** · 05-09-2005, 11:54

I fear it's not the last we have heard of this.

**Bombard** · 05-09-2005, 12:00

Oriana Fallaci is a complete raving fruitcake: If she opened her mouth in Ireland, UK, or Fance and expressed her most fevoured opinions, she be sent straight to the clanger, she's that far right.

a racist, dangerous person, with all the angst of a 15 year old goth who's getting the attention she craves.

all she's doing is taking the same old rants against evil 'others' that threaten 'us' and must be fought.

Tw@t

**Seadog** · 05-09-2005, 12:23

Bombard wrote:

Oriana Fallaci is a complete raving fruitcake: If she opened her mouth in Ireland, UK, or Fance and expressed her most fevoured opinions, she be sent straight to the clanger, she's that far right.

a racist, dangerous person, with all the angst of a 15 year old goth who's getting the attention she craves.

all she's doing is taking the same old rants against evil 'others' that threaten 'us' and must be fought.

Are you indulging in a bit of exteme irony there Bombard?

she's that far right.

No, just right.

**Vonshot** · 05-09-2005, 12:37

Originally Posted by Bombard

Oriana Fallaci is a complete raving fruitcake: If she opened her mouth in Ireland, UK, or Fance and expressed her most fevoured opinions, she be sent straight to the clanger, she's that far right.
a racist, dangerous person, with all the angst of a 15 year old goth who's getting the attention she craves.

all she's doing is taking the same old rants against evil 'others' that threaten 'us' and must be fought.
Tw@t

If anything was said by an extremist muslim advocating murder, the overthrow of parlimentary democracy and their general poison we give them Asylum,houses, money, legal aid etc. If something controversial, but in no way as disgusting as Smith or any of his fellow travellers such as Masari, Baraki Dr Hook etc is said by a middle class white christian there is uproar and the tired old race card is played. I'm not sure about her but she has highligthed some realities.

How do you propose she be "fought" a few demos outside the students union?

**Bombard** · 05-09-2005, 12:38

[align=right]No mate, she's so faarrrrrrr right she calls Le Pen a communist. [/align]

Come on dude, there's been people like her throughout our bloody history. She's just the latest xenophobic, racist, over religious, nationalist, tool.

She has just enough facts to make people think she's right about her lies. Basic procedure when lying to people. Tell them lots of little truths to get them to believe the one big lie.

And again: If she opened her mouth in Ireland, she'd be charged. The same in UK, the same in France. I'm not sure about the laws in other European countries.

**Bombard** · 05-09-2005, 12:47

Lads, I'm not excusing any terrorist-Muslim or red army faction. All I'm saying is that this particular lunatic is wrong as well. She's about as much right to spout the rubbish as they do.

Wonder where the journo's parents were from? "Tunku Varadarajan"?

On a different note, Driving home last night I passed a 00-D Focus with two little European flags beside the middle brake light. First one I've seen.

**castlereagh** · 05-09-2005, 13:21

Originally Posted by Bombard

Wonder where the journo's parents were from? "Tunku Varadarajan"?

Parents are southern Indians, bloke was born in Dehli - was lecturer a lecturer in law.

If you actually read her polemic The Rage and The Pride its not that great. Its full of embarrasing mistakes, sterotypes and displays a quite a lot of ignorance. However being typical Fallaci it's quite fun to read.

She has always been an egocentric show boater her excruciating memoir of her affair with a leftist Greek terrorist being the prime example of her egocentricty.
Its actually not that suprising to see her become such a rabid Islamophobe, her previous anti-americanism was hilarious - she basically was a follwer of the Tehran school of anti-americanism.
Even back then she was even too much for some Italian communists.

She is and will always be a hyper-extremist, who loves publicty and nothing is going to change that.

**armourer** · 05-09-2005, 13:33

Originally Posted by Bombard

I'm not excusing any terrorist-Muslim

Yes you are.

**castlereagh** · 05-09-2005, 13:47

Originally Posted by armourer

Originally Posted by Bombard

I'm not excusing any terrorist-Muslim

Yes you are.

No he's not

**exile1** · 05-09-2005, 13:56

No good arguing with the Irish of any persuasion over anything..............they think their right all the time...duplitious tw@ts
....out

**Bombard** · 05-09-2005, 14:05

Well, that was a decent discussion derailed by a nice bit of slagging.
Anybody going to come up with something even vaguly interesting and relevant to the italian nutcase? or is it game set and match that yes, she is a nutcase?

**Seadog** · 05-09-2005, 16:00

I didn't know of Falluci or her work/associations before yesterday. I agree with what she says in the linked article and share her fears.

Bombard, how do Muslims get on in Ireland? Not that many (as a percentage) are there? Why do you think that is? Is there hostility towards Muslims? How about in Ulster? Welcome Asif, or not?

The French guard their culture more jealously than the rest of Europe (though not from the Germans) so I doubt there would be that much of an uproar unless a 'final solution' was advocated. As for Oriana Falluci 'changing sides', she's Italian...and right.

And as for "stereotypes" castlereagh, even one Muslim calling for her to be 'eliminated' has gone a long way to proving her point.