ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Maple** · 09-08-2012, 18:32

Fairy I had the same thing with the RBL a few years back so I don't think admin incompetence is unique to H4H

**fairy_nuff** · 09-08-2012, 19:06

Originally Posted by Maple

Fairy I had the same thing with the RBL a few years back so I don't think admin incompetence is unique to H4H

well I still think H4H are all piss and wind

**pimpernel** · 09-08-2012, 19:19

With the plethera of service charities, H4H, Blessma, RBL, gardening Leave to name a few it would seem that there needs to be a bit of joined up thinking. They all do wonderful work predominantly funded by the public, so where does HMG fit in and what do they offer?
There doesn't need to be a Charity Czar, just good comms and working towards a common goal that of the wellbeing, rehabilitation and care of ex and serving service personel.
This need is with us to stay for as long as we have troops on the ground and survivors to look after.

**Tremaine** · 09-08-2012, 19:42

If we're honest, the statutory and public sector provisions could be pretty piss poor, in comparison to the charities' work. The extra funding surely accelerates intervention, recoveries and resettlement for those wounded who deserve the very best of everything. And while we're on this, those charities (and there are more now, than ever, have a look at charitychoice.co.uk) do a great job over the traditional solutions. Worth mentioning too, that SSAFA and the RBL actually do casework at the coal face and don't just hoover up donations while consorting with public and celebrity figures. However, if there's to be more co-operation between the main military charities because H4H are embarrassed by their riches, some of them might remember that just building things for posterity doesn't help everyone. Hopefully we'll also see the end of H4H barring older veterans from older conflicts who remain in real need, turning their efforts towards other serious matters.

**AIR FILTER** · 09-08-2012, 19:51

To think that the bosses at H4H are filling their executive cars full of expensive fuel ... Happy in the knowledge that joe public is paying for it.

**EScotia** · 09-08-2012, 19:51

H4H was not set up to provide help to older veterans, that is and always was the main cause of older Charities and associations such as RBL, RBL(S), BLESMA etc.

For the people they provide support for they do an excellent job and long may it continue. My main concern is, as has already been stated, MoD will allow H4H to provide money for facilities because it can't or won't which will place H4H in an awkward position if at any time they have to refuse money for facilities.

The comment about being made by H4H collectors to feel you don't support injured troops may well be true, but they certainly aren't in your face as much as The Big Issue sellers and 3rd World Charity tossers!

**TheIronDuke** · 09-08-2012, 19:52

Originally Posted by seaweed

Service people and ex-service people who have been damaged by their service are the absolute morsal responsibility of the GOVERNMENT.

Sorry my friend. I pick your post at random but I could pick many above.

Yeah. You are right. That is the responsibility of Government. But back in the real world that has never happened since the first tribe of man picked up an ox bone to knack another tribe. And it never will. Government is usually a bunch of self serving twunts. And the civil service are incompetent bean counters with targets to meet.

So, we either wail and gnash our teeth. Or support charities. I favour the latter. In the sure and certain knowledge that they will get it wrong sometimes, get stiffed by the MoD, pay themselves a salary, spend money on daft things... whatever.

The alternative is to support fuck-all and let the people who need help fend for themselves. And for me, that is not an option.

**bluntslane** · 09-08-2012, 19:58

Originally Posted by TheIronDuke

Sorry my friend. I pick your post at random but I could pick many above.

Yeah. You are right. That is the responsibility of Government. But back in the real world that has never happened since the first tribe of man picked up an ox bone to knack another tribe. And it never will. Government is usually a bunch of self serving twunts. And the civil service are incompetent bean counters with targets to meet.

So, we either wail and gnash our teeth. Or support charities. I favour the latter. In the sure and certain knowledge that they will get it wrong sometimes, get stiffed by the MoD, pay themselves a salary, spend money on daft things... whatever.

The alternative is to support fuck-all and let the people who need help fend for themselves. And for me, that is not an option.

He's right you know.

Well done H4H, crack on.

**blobmeister** · 09-08-2012, 20:05

Google their financial records, you'll be surprised!

They buy a lot of buildings because they are rented to the charity by the Parry's...nice personal portfolio when it's all over ;)

**intli** · 09-08-2012, 20:29

I do casework for RBL and SSAFA. On the funding front SSAFA has little, other than what it raises. However, it acts as the middle man between the Regtl assns and the person in need. The Assns, ABF,RAFBF,RNBF etc can't afford to have people going out so allocate the jobs to us to act as their assessors on the ground and report back for them to allocate funds. In the case of RBL, it has the poppy appeal, RBL clubs, fund raising etc and also lobbies the MOD on behalf of Service and ex Service personnel. It also has the poppy factories, poppy handyman, provides holidays for ex service and serving personnel and their families and provides funding to run some of the establishments that H4H has set up. H4H is for current vets form 2001 on. It has caught the imagination by using computers etc and has the support of the 2 Princes so is high on exposure. What it also does however, around March of each year, is provide lump sums to ABF, RAFBF, RNBF and SSAFA to help boost their coffers from money that is not scheduled for other projects. Along with MOD the local councils are using the Service charities for things like converting bathrooms for injured personnel at home, showers for the infirm etc. The answer is 'yes you are entitled but because of Tory cuts etc we won't be able to get round to you for 2 years - suggest you contact RBL,SSAFA,BLESMA as you are ex- services and I'm sure they will help you.' I know H4H is the victim of its own success, but I am concerned of some smaller local ones I've seen springing up such as Homes for Heroes and others and would like to know where THEIR money goes.