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Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

You don't consider the September 11th attacks to be an act of war? The planning, finance and personnel for that were overwhelmingly Saudi.

Of course, the fact that Iran has never actually committed an act of war against the US is quite an inconvenience for your argument too.

Are we quite sure that the Saudis aren't building a nuclear weapon? Nuclear program of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Suadis underwrote the cost of the Pakistani nuclear bomb programme and its very widely accepted that a phone call from Rhiyadd will result in the necessary warheads to fit Saudi Arabias large fleet of CSS-2 IRBM's arrive on the next plane.
Of course, the Saudis claim they only have conventional warheads for their CSS-2's, but with a CEP of 0.5miles, a 2,000lb HE warhead is utterly worthless.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

You don't consider the September 11th attacks to be an act of war? The planning, finance and personnel for that were overwhelmingly Saudi.

Yes, but surely not something officially endorsed, nor supported by the Saudi government, which AQ considers an enemy because of its connections to the West and for which Saudi Arabia itself has been subject to terror attacks?

Originally Posted by mac1

Yes, but surely not something officially endorsed, nor supported by the Saudi government, which AQ considers an enemy because of its connections to the West and for which Saudi Arabia itself has been subject to terror attacks?

Do you honestly believe that?

Originally Posted by Yank_Lurker

Considering that the US had heard about all manner of alleged atrocties the Hun was committing in 1917, which turned out to be British lies, we got involved (in what was merely another dynastic European war which was none of our affair), lost a bunch of American boys, only to have the Europeans make an utter hash of the peace, it's not surprising we Yanks weren't excited about getting into another European squabble. By the bye, the genocide didn't get going until after we had in fact joined the war.

What was that Lusitania (sp?) thing all about then? OTOH, I can understand the reluctance to get involved in another conflict if you see it as nothing to do with you, given that it would involve evenly matched developed nations that by definition, are going to knock chunks out of each other. I also understand a lot of immigrants to the US at that time were German (especially before WW1), which had something to do with it.

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

Do you honestly believe that?

Not in position to believe nor disbelieve it - I don't know what goes on behind the scenes; what I've noticed is that a lot trot out "evidence" to show one side of the argument to reach a conclusion and are pretty loud with it. Those with opposing (serious, as opposed to popular msm) evidence tend to be quiet about it or get shouted down.

I'm also confident that, if there was solid evidence that the Saudis were officially something to do with 9/11, instead of private individuals in that country, the US would have reacted accordingly - with serious consequences for the Saudis.

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

You really are utterly delusional.
Switch of Faux News and look around you. Al Queada is 100% a Saudi construct. And did you notice the nationality of the people on the planes on 9/11? Not an Iranian amongst them, although rather interestingly, while your alleged best bazzer Israel was gloating in the aftermath, Iran, both at a government and public level were offering very tangible acts of sympathy.

Be fair, AQ would not have existed without quite a bit of help from Pakistan, particularly the Haqqanis and their ISI handlers. All generously funded by charitable Saudis and overseen by GIP.

All swept under the carpet for best part of a decade as our "allies" in the GWOT conspired to set al Anbar on fire and revive the talibans. It's only in the last couple of years that DC started being publicly frank with Pindi and it still practically cow tows to the devious house of Saud.

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

Al Queada is 100% a Saudi construct. And did you notice the nationality of the people on the planes on 9/11? Not an Iranian amongst them

OBL's outfit right - so to be expected and contributing factor for the Saudis to strip him of his citizenship in 1996. Also, whilst quite a few terrorists are Saudi, there's certainly enough Syrians, Yemenis, and every other country in that region; moreover, the first Trade Centre bombing in 1993 was financed by a Kuwaiti and carried out by conspirators that included an Iraqi-American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Wo...Center_bombing

Yes, I know it's Wikipedia, but it's a starting point indicating the Saudis are not as culpable as some make them out to be.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

You don't consider the September 11th attacks to be an act of war? The planning, finance and personnel for that were overwhelmingly Saudi.

Of course, the fact that Iran has never actually committed an act of war against the US is quite an inconvenience for your argument too.

Are we quite sure that the Saudis aren't building a nuclear weapon? Nuclear program of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What would you call the invasion of an embassy and the holding of its personnel for over a year? By common diplomatic usage, that's considered an act of war. Don't tell me about the fig leaf of "students over which the government of Iran had no control". That's BS and the entire world knew it.

As for the Saudis and AQ, the Saudis and their oil money are responsible for the export of a particularly violent form of Islam, which has turned an extremely large portion of the Muslim world into a toxic cesspit utterly antithetical to humanistic values. The 9/11 attacks were not an official act of the Saudi government however. They do have a lot to answer for, but so does the general "Arab Street", from Egypt to Pakistan. Frankly a whole lot of civilizing needs to be done in that part of the world, and whether it's done at the point of a bayonet or by more peaceful means, I couldn't care less.

In larger historic terms however, this is a continuation of the ongoing war between East and West, dating back to Xerxes.