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Originally Posted by Buzz

Do you by any chance know where most "baddies" firearms come from?

Keep up the wank fantasy about lighting up a crack addict burglar if you like but most firearms used in street crimes were stolen from home owners in the first place in the US, most shootings that lead to a death are domestic disputes where a firearm is involved, often legally owned.

If you have a society awash with firearms for no good reason people start dying for no good reason.

Total nonsense, if you want facts go to the website of the bureau of justice statistics for the facts

Originally Posted by Oddbod

Thus leaving all the effective weapons in the hands of those who wish to commit crimes.

It doesn't wash.

Criminals will always have weapons, but you're missing two key points:

1) Killing sprees are most often carried out with weapons that are legally owned by the killer or someone close to them. Limiting the type of weapons they're likely to have access to will limit this sort of tragedy.

2) Most illegal weapons in the US were at one point legally owned weapons. Limiting the type of weapons it's possible to own legally, and the type of weapons owned illegally will follow suit in time.

Additionally, I find it hard to envisage a self-defence/home-defence situation where a 9mm isn't going to provide enough protection.

Originally Posted by Oddbod

It should be noted that Cinemark holdings, the owners of the cinema, have a "no guns" policy, thus disarming only law-abiding patrons.

Worked a treat didn't it?

I don't see what that has to do with my post. I'm all for people being armed, sensibly.

The jobsworths strike again. The Paris Premiere has been cancelled. Although it doesn't say - it may be a mark of respect rather than a stupid over-reaction from a security perspective. BBC News - Batman Paris premiere cancelled

though interesting coincidence:

Movie website Deadline said the trailer, which was being shown during the previews of The Dark Knight Rises, featured a scene of gunmen going into a cinema and shooting patrons as they watch a film.

Originally Posted by DavidBOC

Total nonsense, if you want facts go to the website of the bureau of justice statistics for the facts

Don't just claim the DOJ contradict the figures with no link because I am not seeing anything on the web page claiming that guns are the next best thing to kittens.

In fact I am seeing the opposite, targeted programs to reduce the supply of illegaly held firearms, mostly hand guns, most of which started life as legally held ones.

As to all the comments about G4S, not sure if they can be trusted for anything to do with firearms on this side of the pond. Four weeks ago in or near Edmonton, Alberta an armed G4S guard shot and killed 3 other G4S guards and made off with the cash in their armoured car.

As to gun control preventing this sort of thing I would respectfully point to Canada which has far stricter gun laws than the US. On this past Monday a gunman shot and killed 2 and wounded 21 people at a block party at a housing estate near Toronto, ON. In June a gunman opened fire in the Eaton Centre (a shopping centre) in downtown Toronto killing 2 and wounding 6.

In neither of the Ontario incidents was the handgun lawfully owned. In the Edmonton case the gun was lawfully owned by G4S which issued the gun to the shooter.

Removing guns from the possession of the law abiding does nothing to stop gun crime.

BTW, Pentagon is saying that three of the wounded in Colorado were members of the USAF.

Geez some of you have either the most ridiculous gun fetishes or else you are just thick. Actually thick doesn't do it - more like moronically stupid.

Originally Posted by Buzz

Don't just claim the DOJ contradict the figures with no link because I am not seeing anything on the web page claiming that guns are the next best thing to kittens.

In fact I am seeing the opposite, targeted programs to reduce the supply of illegaly held firearms, mostly hand guns, most of which started life as legally held ones.

I did not bother to include a link as it is apparent from your posts that you have little or no interest in allowing facts to interfere with your opinions.

As to the US Dept of Justice and guns; under the Obama administration and A.G. Holder they came up with the bright idea of tracking drug crime by allowing guns to be sold to Mexican drug gangs. One of the guns sold under this Obama program has returned to the US to be used to murder a US Border Patrol agent. If you are curious google "fast and furious" for details of this plan to allow guns to be sold to criminals. I should note that Attorney General Holder is currently held in Contempt of Congress for refusing to answer question asked by Congress.

The trouble is that "law abiding" people in the states purchase firearms who have no business with them, then they stick them in a draw and forget about them or leave them shoved down the side of a sofa, or leave it in car that gets stolen, or leave it in the bottom of a tackle box that the ex wife sells on at a lawn sale 10 years later.

Familiarity breeds contempt and we are not talking about a nation where everyone keeps the weapons under lock and key all the time.

It's stupid to assume that everyone follows our own standards of safety or security with firearms, if society is awash with arms people start dying.

Also before you go there - dont use the Switzerland argument either as in reality they have a very large problem with domestic shootings, suicides and spree shootings at the moment and that is all with legally held weapons.