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Originally Posted by jarrod248

If you have a suspected carcinoma you'll be seen within two weeks. That's pretty good, you can choose where you have an operation on the choose and book system, you can even choose a private hospital.

and yet NHS productivity dropped, too many hospitals still pretty much shut down on friday afternoon and people die in hospital of dehydration..... The NHS is far too patchy in performance and behaviour

Originally Posted by Kitmarlowe

Something I have strong feeling about. It should be law that any body that has to use any form of voting as part of the decision making process should have a set minimum turn out requirment. Any elections, any votes on policy, strikes, anything. Add a NO to all options box so people can register a not interested in any choice

People may not like voting but tough f**king shit. Vote, people died to give you the right to vote and keep that right.

Should we follow that with making it law to vote in general elections on pain of a hefty fine? It would solve a lot of issues, but sends us into odd territory...

Originally Posted by Kitmarlowe

and yet NHS productivity dropped, too many hospitals still pretty much shut down on friday afternoon and people die in hospital of dehydration..... The NHS is far too patchy in performance and behaviour

Well to be fair the govt has made many thousands of staff redundant. Private sector care homes don't have a good track record now do they?
The NHS is of course patchy it's run by lots of different organisations due to the Tories cutting it up last time and Labours continuance of that.

Originally Posted by Herrumph

Remind me to thank the Unions when I stand in a queue at Customs and then can't get a train.

We don't want your thanks, even though you will probably benefit in the long run if we succeed.

Every strike does more damage to the economy and this at a time when we desperately need things to pick up otherwise everyone's pensions, jobs T&Cs will be screwed.

So what you are saying is we will all be better off if we roll over, lube up and think of the nation? Show me one place ever in the world where this has happened and the majority ended up better off? The Public Sector Unions didn't ruin the ecomomy and you know that.

The Union action has nothing to do with the pay and conditions of its members, the TUC has scented weakness in the Government and sees an opportunity to get its own people into power. The Labour Party is now deeper in the pocket of the Unions and the Unions want pay-back!

Have you any real idea of how truly supine the TUC is? The TUC does not exist to overthrow governments or capital, it exists to find accommodation with it. This strike, goes ahead DESPITE the TUC, who would rather we quietly gave in to Call me Dave and handed over our pension, which is our deferred pay!

This strike is everything to do with pay and conditions. Your suggestions that the TUC are our puppet masters is ludicrous and delusional

Originally Posted by Mothman

Have you any real idea of how truly supine the TUC is? The TUC does not exist to overthrow governments or capital, it exists to find accommodation with it. This strike, goes ahead DESPITE the TUC, who would rather we quietly gave in to Call me Dave and handed over our pension, which is our deferred pay!

This strike is everything to do with pay and conditions. Your suggestions that the TUC are our puppet masters is ludicrous and delusional

So not only are 8% higher paid than the private sector, you expect a pension, (which apparently is 'deferred pay'), that cannot be bought on the market as it is not financially viable due to economic conditions.

Why should you be immune to market forces?

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Well to be fair the govt has made many thousands of staff redundant. Private sector care homes don't have a good track record now do they?
The NHS is of course patchy it's run by lots of different organisations due to the Tories cutting it up last time and Labours continuance of that.

Nope. THe NHS has made staff redundant as they try to balance the books after the Government has limited the NHS budget INCREASE to just above inflation. Surprisingly the various Trusts are struggling to balance the books as their PFI costs keep going up. Private Care Homes have a poor record as the body, set up under the last lot, supposed to inspect them is mostly useless with the odd foray into completely lethal.

That's the standard refrain of the lazy minded. It's the Governments' fault. Bollocks....... If Government MInster's ran everything themseleves nothing would ever get done. Government sets policy and direction. Departments reinterpet that through various levels until something turns up having grown from 1 page of A4 to 6 volumes of guidance and instruction.

Originally Posted by jarrod248

What's wrong with you lot? They can withdraw labour, perhaps if people's terms and conditions weren't changed they wouldn't take action.

Jarrod, the world does not stand still, things change and so will your terms & conditions if you are paid by the public purse!!

Originally Posted by jarrod248

No money? How do you draw that conclusion, seems to be plenty to chuck around. Don't be fooled there is money, they'll print lots of it.

You may have a point, but just can't cave in to Civil servents or Unions,!! so Jarrod how much money does the UK have?