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Discuss Police officer cleared of Ian Tomlinson manslaughter in Current Affairs, News and Analysis on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by Pyianno Answer me this riddle - how can a jury determine that a man is unlawfully killed, but a subsequent jury determines that the police officer responsible has not committed any offence? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyianno View Post

    Answer me this riddle - how can a jury determine that a man is unlawfully killed, but a subsequent jury determines that the police officer responsible has not committed any offence?

    So somebody was unlawfully killed but the man who killed him did not commit an unlawful act.

    What a fucking shambles.
    Yes, it's one of life's mysteries, something we'll never be able to understand.

    Here's another question. Are ex-police officers elgible for jury service?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnoficarus View Post
    This would be the system that has seen hundreds of people die while in Police custody and has found that every Police Officer involved was cleaner than Snow Whites drawers?
    Have you been reading the papers again? There's already a thread on that particular chestnut and in amongst the shite there are some good posts that explain why the numbers of "deaths in custody" is so high.

    I bet if it had been a soldier who'd pushed someone and they'd died people would be crying about how he's a bloody hero and should have a day named after him rather trying to throw him to the wolves after he's been found not guilty by a jury of his peers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker62 View Post
    If it was just down to assault, I wouldn't have a problem with any verdict, but the great unwashed, including his money grabbing family, don't seem happy with that.
    Say a motorist hits a pedestrian and breaks a few bones and that pedestrian succumbs to gangrene via MRSA and dies, would that be murder or just plain unlucky. Harwood pushed the guy over, he wasn't to know that he was basically dying through alcohol poisoning on a very slow basis, tough luck he died, let's not make Tomlinson a martyr FFS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crow_bag View Post
    Have you been reading the papers again? There's already a thread on that particular chestnut and in amongst the shite there are some good posts that explain why the numbers of "deaths in custody" is so high.

    I bet if it had been a soldier who'd pushed someone and they'd died people would be crying about how he's a bloody hero and should have a day named after him rather trying to throw him to the wolves after he's been found not guilty by a jury of his peers.
    Er. I think it is worth noting that the MET are going to give him a public hanging. Read the Telegraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kromeriz View Post
    Er. I think it is worth noting that the MET are going to give him a public hanging. Read the Telegraph.
    Fine let the Met deal with him, better than the Tomlinsons (or what ever name they use) get chance to make a few bucks out of a man they threw out to live on the street because he liked a drink or 20!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker62 View Post
    Fine let the Met deal with him, better than the Tomlinsons (or what ever name they use) get chance to make a few bucks out of a man they threw out to live on the street because he liked a drink or 20!
    Er says us who managed how many?... trouble catching the plane the next morning but I was pretty placid to be sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kromeriz View Post
    Er. I think it is worth noting that the MET are going to give him a public hanging. Read the Telegraph.
    Good for the MET, if his actions were outside the METs guidlines for behaviour of officers during a PO incident then he should be done, but he shouldn't get done just to make the MET look good.

    To all the coppers out there what could the MET do him for? He's been found not guilty of murder, was his push too much? I've had worse beatings than that doing civpop for OCDTs at RMAS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crow_bag View Post
    Good for the MET, if his actions were outside the METs guidlines for behaviour of officers during a PO incident then he should be done, but he shouldn't get done just to make the MET look good.

    To all the coppers out there what could the MET do him for? He's been found not guilty of murder, was his push too much? I've had worse beatings than that doing civpop for OCDTs at RMAS.
    But you were up for it though?
    Mr T had his own issues. I recognise that.
    Let us not digress
    I hope the MET see sense. Should they not, it will be a shitstorm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashford_old_school View Post
    Or as he appeared to be moving away, albeit not very quickly, just let him go and keep an eye on him to ensure he is no further risk. I believe we called it courageous restraint. Amazing how the lads (unhappily admittedly) coped with that when rounds were incoming but the hard men of the TSG couldn't cope with an alky slowly wending his way home.
    A laughable comparison. Be careful about throwing stones in that glass house of yours.

    I could find you hundreds of examples of troops breaching the courageous restraint policy in the interests of operational effectiveness and common sense. Quite rightly so in my opinion but do not for a second try and pass The British Army off as a shining bastion of fairness and good sportsmanship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kromeriz View Post
    But you were up for it though?
    Mr T had his own issues. I recognise that.
    Let us not digress
    I hope the MET see sense. Should they not, it will be a shitstorm.
    By sense do you mean hang him out to dry just to please the great unwashed rather than because he's actually done something wrong?
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