ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Bushmills** · 08-07-2012, 11:39

Originally Posted by Robbeaus

In the early days, pre 72 (ish) you could shoot anybody who threw your nasty look, so a petrol bomb no problems.

Please engage brain before posting.

**Robbeaus** · 08-07-2012, 12:01

Originally Posted by Uladh

dude you are seriously deluded if you think that the para's didnt execute civs that day, i use the word execute as they shot and wounded and then finished them off

Dude, the Provies, murdered 18 Toms and left 6 maimed for life, plus 1 civilian got shot in the aftermath of at Warrenpoint. I don't see people crying out for a public enquiry, nor calling for Joe Brennan (Brendan Burns, having blown himself to fuck, a bit later, with his own) to be reinvestigated for his role. Moreover even if he did do it, and was found guilty, what service would it do? Would it bring any single Tom, back? Or even the Civi?
I went 9 times on Op banner and other short tours, and then spent 4+ years in lisburn, trying to come to endex and 40 years on I still don't understand why people as nice as the Irish needed to behave like savages in order to sort this out.
What Northern Ireland needs more than anything is an end to it all, let the dead lie in piece nor matter what side they were on. And the whole matter consigned to a tragic history, which it was.
Moreover I don't give a flying fuck if McGuinness shook Her Majesty hand.
Time to move on I think
So fuck off dude.

**Robbeaus** · 08-07-2012, 12:04

And the jocks took paddy up black mountain for a special piece of haggis.

**Bushmills** · 08-07-2012, 12:47

Originally Posted by Robbeaus

And the jocks took paddy up black mountain for a special piece of haggis.

Mate, you're going to end up as star witness for the prosecution at this rate.

**alib** · 08-07-2012, 13:00

Originally Posted by Robbeaus

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What Northern Ireland needs more than anything is an end to it all, let the dead lie in piece nor matter what side they were on. And the whole matter consigned to a tragic history, which it was.
Moreover I don't give a flying fuck if McGuinness shook Her Majesty hand.
Time to move on I think
So fuck off dude.

Surprisingly I think there has been a fair bit of moving on in Ireland but I suspect Bloody Sunday will be as distant as the Amritsar massacre before the Derry enquiry industry shuts up shop.

**Robbeaus** · 08-07-2012, 13:11

Originally Posted by Bushmills

Mate, you're going to end up as star witness for the prosecution at this rate.

The incidents I referred to in the round, we're common practices at the start of the troubles. The first issue yellow card allowed for the troops to open fire in all sorts of situations, including if the Toms thought they were under attack, which is why it was changed. In addition they're we're several incidents recorded which supported the old and new yellow cards. As for Haggis hunting on Black Mountain, again a well documented urban myth, but like an awful lot of the History of the Provence, there is usually little substance to support these incidents.
What I speak of is well documented, judicially examend and police investigated to death. I am sure the likihood of the PSNI needing to make use of any post on this site, is about nada, null, zero

**skid2** · 08-07-2012, 13:39

Originally Posted by alib

Surprisingly I think there has been a fair bit of moving on in Ireland but I suspect Bloody Sunday will be as distant as the Amritsar massacre before the Derry enquiry industry shuts up shop.

You had to bring Amritsar up again. You heartless bastard.

**Bushmills** · 08-07-2012, 13:41

Originally Posted by skid2

You had to bring Amritsar up again. You heartless bastard.

Justice for the victims of Peterloo, I say!

**Herrumph** · 08-07-2012, 14:26

Demanding prosecutions over Bloody Sunday has nothing to do with "closure" or achieving justice and reconciliation. It is SF's way of dragging up the past and being seen to be being true to their republican credentials whilst actually taking the benefits of being British politicians and taking the British shilling.

It keeps the die-hard Republicans focussed on an irrelevant issue, keeps stirring the hatred pot and keeps the provvie lawyers in pocket.

It is another issue which they can pressurise the British Government into making concessions. Once this issue is exhausted SF will pull another grievance out of the hat - pardons for convicted terrorists, on the run terrorists, compensation for "politically motivated" convictions, wrongful arrests, loyalist/UDR collaboration. It will be never-ending in the hope that eventually the British Government will say enough, possibly prompting return to violence or, Govt will just think NI is not worth the effort.

Republican tactics have always been to play the long game.

**mercurydancer** · 08-07-2012, 23:04

Originally Posted by Herrumph

Demanding prosecutions over Bloody Sunday has nothing to do with "closure" or achieving justice and reconciliation. It is SF's way of dragging up the past and being seen to be being true to their republican credentials whilst actually taking the benefits of being British politicians and taking the British shilling.

It keeps the die-hard Republicans focussed on an irrelevant issue, keeps stirring the hatred pot and keeps the provvie lawyers in pocket.

It is another issue which they can pressurise the British Government into making concessions. Once this issue is exhausted SF will pull another grievance out of the hat - pardons for convicted terrorists, on the run terrorists, compensation for "politically motivated" convictions, wrongful arrests, loyalist/UDR collaboration. It will be never-ending in the hope that eventually the British Government will say enough, possibly prompting return to violence or, Govt will just think NI is not worth the effort.

Republican tactics have always been to play the long game.

Yes, SF has always wanted to cause some kind of disruption. A couple of facts are relevant here. Long ago I lost touch and interest about how closely Martin McGuinness was to PIRA or RIRA of any (insert prefix) IRA organisation. Then important thing about Saville was that McGuinness was the visible face of the Bogside community when Saville was published. HE ACCEPTED IT. Lots of tears and old shinners saying words like "justice at last" but now it comes down to it... Wee Marty accepted it. He cannot now back down and ask for prosecution of the soldiers involved, or for that matter tacitly approve of any type of prosecution of the soldiers involved, even if such a prosecution was possible.

Marty and Gerry now have a tight situation - I do not doubt that the move towards peace in NI has been made possible by Marty and Gerry, and I have a grudging respect for that. Do they now support a pointless criminal trial with the risk of it going off like a bomb pronto against them or are they making noises to quiet things down?

The factions are listening very carefully about what Wee Marty is going to say over the next few weeks, or is Marty getting scared of them? They havent gone away.