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Originally Posted by Pyianno

I don't really buy this argument - that would infer you shouldn't pass any difficult laws pending economic recovery.

I didn't say you couldn't pass laws; I said you should focus on the essentials. No large organisation ever succeeds if it disperses its effort on too many initiatives - it starts hundreds of projects and it finishes none.

-- First priority for the government should be measures that restore economic growth. That alone is capable of engaging the full activities of every single government department. Restoring economic growth puts money back in the pockets of every single working person in the UK.

-- Second priority for the government should be to protect the weak and vulnerable in society - and to weed out the 'professionally unemployed' from the benefits system. Weeding out the 'professionally unemployed' means you can spend more money on those in true need of help.

Politicians forget that running a country is not about passing new laws and coming up with nice soundbites for the 6 o'clock news - it is about rolling up your sleeves and running your department efficiently. You are meant to leave your department in a better state at the end of your term than you found it. The problem is that most politicians went into politics at an early age and completely lack the managerial skills or experience to run government departments.

You can achieve far more in the short term by making what is there run efficiently than trying rearrangement No. 324 of the way things are done. Concentrate on the essentials and get those right before you waste time on irrelevancies.

Simple questions for Nick Clegg:

-- Explain how House of Lords reform will put more money into people's pockets over the lifetime of this parliament.
-- Explain how House of Lords reform will help the needy and vulnerable in society during the lifetime of this parliament.

If you can't explain those questions, why the fcuk are you wasting time on a project totally irrelevant to the immediate problems this country faces.

Wordsmith

Sounds like a bollocks argument to me.

[QUOTE=alib;4487570]The US has an equivalent elected chamber, The Senate and it's a rich man's club largely in the hands of corporate lobbies. The Lords is a flawed archaic institution but often seems more interested in the common good, bloody minded and finally effective, I can't see reform as a priority.

Totally agree

Even a most senior of his own Lords disagrees with him . Lord Carlile thinks it is a recipe for disaster.

I'd put a link but the Mods would throw a hissy fit and consign it to the NAFFI or Int Cell for being from a banned source.

If you was bored enough to read thro the whole thing it's pretty dire as an example of Glegg's belife in what consitutes democracy. Single term of 15 years, PR with member selected from Party lists as a result of the party's share of the vote. The same voting system the current HoL rejected for Bliar EU parliament voting reform as that broke the link between member and area.

Anyone see the deliberate policy to create another 15 years free cash for mediocre hasbeens ?

Meanwhile a vote on our relationship with the EU is being put off & Vince Cable says it is "horribly irrelevant". Good to see the Lib Dems have their priorities in the right place...

Clegg's a sanctimonious cnut, restoring a completely hereditary second chamber is the only way...

Originally Posted by CaptainPlume

Meanwhile a vote on our relationship with the EU is being put off & Vince Cable says it is "horribly irrelevant". Good to see the Lib Dems have their priorities in the right place...

Since one affects our economic situation and one affects how we govern ourselves....

BTW. What the f**K does leaving the EU whilst trading with the EU mean we would still have to obey every single EU law if we want to trade with the EU ? China quite clearly ignores vast swathes of EU law yet noboby stops Chinese goods from being sold in the EU.