ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Kitmarlowe** · 29-06-2012, 10:48

Oh great. Another chamber of arse licking party hacks who wave through every piece of badly written drivel that the Government of the day feels like inflicting on us. The present HoL works because it's mostly full of people who actually know something about the real world. Like real film directors, military officers, lawyers who practised real law, people who ran major going concerns that made money, Farmers large and small. AND don't always toe the party line or even belong to one Show me any of the currant batch of hacks who's done anything other than chase a career as a lying scum professional arse licker ?

**Herrumph** · 29-06-2012, 11:02

Our best hope is that enough Labour and Conservative MPs rebel forcing the PM to abandon the madcap idea. This would split the coalition and force an election.

**cernunnos** · 29-06-2012, 11:09

Somewhere along the line we lost the genetic strain of statesmen, somehow they all got mixed up in a test tube with sperm from double glazing salesmen, that's why all we've been left with is:

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**LeoRoverman** · 29-06-2012, 11:19

Definately a resounding No to the proposals-wrong reform-wrong issue. Fox Hunting again!!!! Besides it was the Liberals who****ed it up in 1911.

**scoobydont** · 29-06-2012, 11:27

Proportional representation sounds like a good idea until you work out how few votes the BNP, SWP, Muslim Brotherhood and so on actually need to get a seat in parliament.

**Herrumph** · 29-06-2012, 11:32

Originally Posted by scoobydont

Proportional representation sounds like a good idea until you work out how few votes the BNP, SWP, Muslim Brotherhood and so on actually need to get a seat in parliament.

Law of Un-intended Consequences.

**Draft Dodger** · 29-06-2012, 11:39

how is legislation scrutinised in the devolved parliaments?

**Pyianno** · 29-06-2012, 12:25

For those who doubt the value of the Lords - need I remind you that they were the only thing that prevented Blair from passing laws for indefinite detention without trial?

I cannot see how the current system (peers appointed by the PM on the recommendation of party leaders) is going to be morally any different from the proposed system (party lists controlled by party leaders).

The BNP etc will not get a look in as there are too few seats being decided at any one time.

On this, as on virtually everything else, Enoch Powell was right. “There can be no elective second chamber in the legislature of a unitary state. The proposition is axiomatic because it is self-evident that there cannot be two alternative equally valid representations of the same electorate.”

**SomersetMan** · 29-06-2012, 14:36

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

how is legislation scrutinised in the devolved parliaments?

They have to stop doing it when the cash runs out.

**SomersetMan** · 29-06-2012, 14:38

Originally Posted by scoobydont

Proportional representation sounds like a good idea until you work out how few votes the BNP, SWP, Muslim Brotherhood and so on actually need to get a seat in parliament.

Not to mention the Lib Dems.

Best definition of Proportional Representation I have heard: Keep counting the votes different ways until the Lib Dem gets in!
(as you may have gathered I live in a Lib Dem fiefdom - I have never come across a more illiberal or less democratically minded bunch!).