ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Kromeriz** · 25-06-2012, 18:47

Originally Posted by Biscuits_Brown

Bollocks frankly.

If the Russians declare Syria (or anywhere else) is a full military ally, and an attack on them is an attack on Russia. Then the notion of military action ends.

Were it to happen it's not a case of who is the hardest, who has what kit or what they think they control, it's simply a case of a military option being off the cards.

As it happens, it doesn't look much like the issue is going to arise.

Might be worth remembering that the Poles, Czechs, Balts, Slovaks and Hungarians are part of NATO too and a bit pissed off with Russia manipulating Natural Gas prices for heating supplies and German acquiescence to Russian money and influence... can't say much as part of the EU but as part of NATO they do have a voice.

This could run.

**Biscuits_Brown** · 25-06-2012, 18:54

It really doesn't matter a flying fig who pissed off about what, or how people rate the current state of their armed forces. They've still sufficient global power projection capability to effectively make their word law.

Unless they rumble into one of the NATO States in the manner we expected back in the Soviet years, they can do pretty much what they want.

At least to more or less the same extent as our transatlantic chums.

**Kromeriz** · 25-06-2012, 19:02

Originally Posted by Biscuits_Brown

It really doesn't matter a flying fig who pissed off about what, or how people rate the current state of their armed forces. They've still sufficient global power projection capability to effectively make their word law.

Unless they rumble into one of the NATO States in the manner we expected back in the Soviet years, they can do pretty much what they want.

At least to more or less the same extent as our transatlantic chums.

Simply not true. There was ...talk... of an attack on one being an attack on all when Estonia was hit by computer hackers.

Here, it is murky, the jet was probing and was shot down but do not forget that Syrian AF have shelled Turkish territory too in the past and that regime change in Syria would influence the Lebanon and that would influene Isreal which has a small voice in American foreign policy. Dominoes are going to fall on this one especially with re-election coming up.

**King_of_the_Burpas** · 25-06-2012, 19:07

Originally Posted by Kromeriz

do not forget that Syrian AF have shelled Turkish territory too.

With their amazing flying tanks. Pasha Mk1s.

**Kromeriz** · 25-06-2012, 19:08

Originally Posted by King_of_the_Burpas

With their amazing flying tanks. Pasha Mk1s.

Thanks for that

AF as in Armed Forces. My bad.

**Biscuits_Brown** · 25-06-2012, 19:12

Originally Posted by Kromeriz

Simply not true. There was ...talk... of an attack on one being an attack on all when Estonia was hit by computer hackers.

Here, it is murky, the jet was probing and was shot down but do not forget that Syrian AF have shelled Turkish territory too in the past and that regime change in Syria would influence the Lebanon and that would influene Isreal which has a small voice in American foreign policy. Dominoes are going to fall on this one especially with re-election coming up.

When anyone from the armed forces of a NATO state fires, knowingly, on one of their Russian peers, or anyone the Russians have declared their ally.... Come back to me. There was talk about giving the Soviets the message during the Prague Spring, didn't happen then, won't happen now.

All of this is a hypothetical remember, the Russians have not made much more than their usual rumblings about caution.

**redshift** · 25-06-2012, 19:15

Originally Posted by King_of_the_Burpas

And he appears to be taking two sandbags for a walk in the desert.

No shit! I was looking up and down the pic expecting a dog or two

**King_of_the_Burpas** · 25-06-2012, 19:19

Originally Posted by CrashTestDummy

I'd be there in a flush, if I could.

Fixed.

**Kromeriz** · 25-06-2012, 19:26

Originally Posted by Biscuits_Brown

When anyone from the armed forces of a NATO state fires, knowingly, on one of their Russian peers, or anyone the Russians have declared their ally.... Come back to me. There was talk about giving the Soviets the message during the Prague Spring, didn't happen then, won't happen now.

All of this is a hypothetical remember, the Russians have not made much more than their usual rumblings about caution.

Which brings us back to Former Yugo. The business was done one way or another but it was done. Regime change happened.

Russia needs fronting up to... and several NATO countries are clamouring for it. AND with low oil prices adding to the crucible, Russia will be forced onto the back foot on this one.

**Boumer** · 25-06-2012, 19:37

BBC News - Syria shot at second plane, Turkey says

Turkey says Syria fired on one of its planes that was taking part in a rescue operation for a warplane shot down by Syrian forces last Friday.

Turkey's deputy PM said the CASA search and rescue plane, looking for the F-4 Phantom jet, was not brought down.
He vowed Syria would "not go unpunished" but that Turkey had "no intention" of going to war.
Nato will discuss the downing of the jet on Tuesday at a meeting called by Turkey, a member state.

This bit is interesting;

He said the Syrians had stopped firing following a warning from the Turkish side.

So local units going a bit off, or the Syrian Government authorising it?

Tomorrow should be an interesting chat.