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**mercurydancer** · 29-06-2012, 22:38

Originally Posted by CQMS

If the Ecuadorians are mad enough to grant him asylum we should honour it, let him travel as diplomatic baggage to Heathrow and up and away. He's going to be swapping at worst a few months in a Swedish holiday camp with hot and cold running statutory sexual congress and at best complete acquittal for eternal exile in a South American country. He''ll be unable to visit anywhere or even go home. He'll be completely at the whim of the Ecuadorian president who isn't noted for tolerating dissent, a prisoner - forever in a land where the political climate could change any second, constantly looking over his shoulder and in a place where the ECHR's writ does not run. He's potty.

Ahh now that is a point... the person who has created an internet site which has leaked some pretty important facts to the eager and interested world.... he must have contacts and information. Perhaps the Ecuadorians wish to...... extract.... information from him... Bring on the wet towels, a tippy back chair and 5 litres of Perrier.

Still, I'd like to see him face trial for his accused sexual crimes, even in liberal Sweden. If he is found guilty then he should listen to the soundtrack of Mamma Mia until he begs to be waterboarded. It wont take long.

**supermatelot** · 29-06-2012, 22:42

The Swedes have various classifications of "rape" I understand. Not just one size fits all like we have. Off-topic but I think we should follow that model.

Mr_Tigger · 29-06-2012, 22:54

I hope they send him in a sealed diplomatic bag through the Heathrow baggage system. He will never be seen again.

**Boumer** · 29-06-2012, 22:54

Originally Posted by supermatelot

The Swedes have various classifications of "rape" I understand. Not just one size fits all like we have. Off-topic but I think we should follow that model.

Sorry, what do you mean a one size fits all rape?

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 is a pretty good bit of kit.

What's wrong with it?

**CQMS** · 29-06-2012, 22:57

Originally Posted by Boumer

Sorry, what do you mean a one size fits all rape?

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 is a pretty good bit of kit.

What's wrong with it?

It's not Swedish, which is where the alleged offences took place.

**mercurydancer** · 29-06-2012, 23:01

Originally Posted by supermatelot

The Swedes have various classifications of "rape" I understand. Not just one size fits all like we have. Off-topic but I think we should follow that model.

I tend to agree. Rape in UK law tends to be qualified by other terms such as Statutory rape, which whilst unacceptable isnt anywhere in the region of someone who has had penetration inflicted on them by use of force or fear of violence.

My view is simple... let Assange go to Sweden and face the court. If he is innocent under Swedish law then he walks. His website and anything connected to it is irrelevant. He is not accused of rape by any English court. He is accused of bail violations, which may be uncomfortable for him as before that he did not have any criminal offences in UK which he now has to answer.

Mr_Tigger · 29-06-2012, 23:01

[QUOTE=CQMS;4487041]It's not Swedish, which is where the alleged offences took place.[/QUOTE]

I agree. It is very understandable that one might think everything swedish and sexual is superior to everything british and sexual. The internet is full of evidence to this affect.

**DavidBOC** · 29-06-2012, 23:22

Originally Posted by Mr_Tigger

I agree. It is very understandable that one might think everything swedish and sexual is superior to everything british and sexual. The internet is full of evidence to this affect.

Having seen "No Sex Please, We're British" in the West End back in '71 or '72 I can understand why you might think that but I couldn't possibly comment.

**Boumer** · 29-06-2012, 23:29

Originally Posted by CQMS

Originally Posted by Boumer

Sorry, what do you mean a one size fits all rape?

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 is a pretty good bit of kit.

What's wrong with it?

It's not Swedish, which is where the alleged offences took place.

Oh, I get that CQMS. it's just the question was raised that we needed a change in our law.

I happen to think the 2003 Act is pretty good.

Certainly more relevant than our assault legislation!

Originally Posted by Boumer

Originally Posted by supermatelot

The Swedes have various classifications of "rape" I understand. Not just one size fits all like we have. Off-topic but I think we should follow that model.

Sorry, what do you mean a one size fits all rape?

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 is a pretty good bit of kit.

What's wrong with it?

That was why I asked the question, just out of curiousity.

Originally Posted by mercurydancer

I tend to agree. Rape in UK law tends to be qualified by other terms such as Statutory rape, which whilst unacceptable isnt anywhere in the region of someone who has had penetration inflicted on them by use of force or fear of violence.

May I suggest your're mixing the offences and the aggravating factors here?

The offence of statutory rape (as closse as we get) is here

Sexual Offences Act 2003

Here you must prove the sexual act to vagina, anus or mouth (some people don't realise rape can be via the three orafices)

The offence other is here:

Sexual Offences Act 2003

Complete with the requirement to prove penile penetration, the lack of reasonable belief in consent and the victim, did not consent.

There are a huge variation of other offences around the variety of penetration with body parts, objects, and variouis other sexual activities.

The Blackstones (law book) guide to this about 500 pages thick.

But critically Mercury Dancer, the act does something good:

If you can prove certain circumstance existed at the time of rape then it reverses the burden of proof in consent. That is it is taken that there was no consent, unless the offender proves otherwise. Now that's rare.

Basicall, the circumstances are either

s76- At the time of the offence, the victim was subject to violence, another was to be subject to violence (children etc), unlawfull detention, sleep, couldn't communication or was stutpified by a substance.

s 76-the person misrepesents the purpose of the sexual act (a bizzare case of a singing tutor telling unworlding girls it was to get more air into them,or something like that!) or misrepresents the identity of the offender (posing as your twin brother to fuck his wife, etc).

if you want to freak yourself out the high s60 and low s70 of the act cover sex with animals, corpses and public toilets.

Charming.

So it's quite a good bit of law.

It even reverses a historical injustice of addressing male rape.

**Stonker** · 29-06-2012, 23:36

Originally Posted by mercurydancer

And pushing over and killing harmless drunks.... Sorry thread drift... I'll maintain my comments to alleged sexual offenders instead of alleged bullies and incompetents.

Not sure if that's fixed, or just added sumt'ing.

Wo' ever . . .