- 15-06-2012, 22:03 #111
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- 15-06-2012, 22:16 #112
It is one of the best speeches I have ever read. Name me a single MP in Parliament who could produce something even half as engaging today (notwithstanding the subject matter)? I do not think there are any - and I have probably met over 100 MPs. Virtually all are idiots, none rise to the occasion when really asked to do so.
Last edited by Pyianno; 15-06-2012 at 22:18."If a terrorist organisation wanted to knock out the moral compass of Britain, all they'd have to do is to kill 100 celebrities at random. The entire country would have an instant nervous breakdown."
- 15-06-2012, 22:30 #113
Post #75, its normally left off when people quote his soeech as the preamble completely changed the whole tenor of the speech....
The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature. One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: At each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: 'if only', they love to think, 'if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't happen'. Perhaps this habit goes back to the primitive belief that the word and the thing, the name and the object, are identical. At all events, the discussion of future grave but, with effort now, avoidable evils is the most unpopular and at the same time the most necessary occupation for the politician. Those who knowingly shirk it, deserve, and not infrequently receive, the curses of those who come after.
Enoch Powell - The supreme function...Warning, this post contains some flash photography.
- 15-06-2012, 22:34 #114
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He was once a Warwick. One of my COs was a junior officer in the Warwicks, when Powell fell from grace with the 'Rivers' speech, and promised himself that when he was CO (as his dad had been), he would invite the old feller to dinner, and to address the mess members.
In 1986 (IIRC) he made good on that, and we had a black tie dinner with EP as guest of honour.
Enoch treated us to a post-prandial lecture on how - based on his interpretation of classified documents, to which only those with Parliamentary privilege could gain access - he knew that there had been a conspiracy, inspired by America during [but not confined to] WW2, in which it was proposed that, if Ireland would abandon its neutrality, and join the Allies [against Nazi Germany in the first instance, and, later, against the USSR], Ulster would be ceded by Britain, to Dublin.
Proper cross about it, was Enoch.
And - judging by the hard stare he gave me as he left the dining room - he didn't much like the red bow tie I was wearing with my DJ that evening.Summer grasses - all that is left of the dreams of soldiers
- 15-06-2012, 22:35 #115
- 15-06-2012, 22:47 #116
It's impossible to have a serious debate. We are always told by our political elites that multi-culturalism is a good thing. In fact if we say otherwise we risk prison.
If I didn't love my country I'd have left it already!
Last edited by Pyianno; 15-06-2012 at 22:50."If a terrorist organisation wanted to knock out the moral compass of Britain, all they'd have to do is to kill 100 celebrities at random. The entire country would have an instant nervous breakdown."
- 15-06-2012, 22:49 #117Warning, this post contains some flash photography.
- 15-06-2012, 23:14 #118
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I always took a bit of a different slant on Powell's speech and I remember the time well as I was about 13. I don't claim that I fully understood the tone of timbre of the speech at the time but it strikes me that his references to blood in the Tiber were more about why Rome fell because of the pressures put on it by tribes wanting Roman Protection just at the time when it could no longer respond economically. You are all perfectly right to say that Rome took no notice of race , the concept of Rome was that you paid Roman Taxes. But part of the pressures at the end were caused in part by the expansion of another empire, namely the Chinese. Ironically we are getting to a point in this country that have striking parrallels in terms of economic capability and I suspect that Powell may have seen these problems just as we were divesting ourselves of empire, so the pressures of migration are in fact divisive. It's certainly true that we need or that some migration is bound to take place but I suspect that our political leaders already know the game's up because the EU largely dictates our policy. The Roman empire collapsed because they couldn't defend their borders, the same is essentially true of this country.
- 15-06-2012, 23:17 #119
- 15-06-2012, 23:27 #120
Summer grasses - all that is left of the dreams of soldiers
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