ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Balleh** · 12-06-2012, 19:53

Originally Posted by Iolis

An interesting

Originally Posted by Iolis

report

Originally Posted by Iolis

with some useful case histories and well worth reading in full. A single paragraph from it sums up its central premise:

"The political elite has an incentive to transmit its message to the public via third parties because voters regard almost anyone as being more trustworthy than politicians. If the government’s message is relayed by ‘independent’ and ‘objective’ citizen’s groups, so much the better."

Iolis,

Thank you; very interesting and powerful.

Personally, as charity has become increasingly nationalised over the years, I donate very little. Why pay twice? Especially as I have no say as to which charity my tax should be given. I have to say I would not believe the government anyway!

Of the large charities, I only contribute to the RNLI as it one of very few which does not accept any government funding and, out of sentiment, to the RBL and ABF. I am uncertain whether they get any state funding, so I may be contradicting myself!

Finally, I suggest that, by selling their souls to government, charities will shortly become yet another feature of civic life to lose the respect of the population.

**Balleh** · 12-06-2012, 19:59

Re the above format, how the hell did that happen?

And any changes aren't effective!

**Fox-and-horses** · 12-06-2012, 19:59

Originally Posted by Iolis

An interesting report with some useful case histories and well worth reading in full. A single paragraph from it sums up its central premise:

"The political elite has an incentive to transmit its message to the public via third parties because voters regard almost anyone as being more trustworthy than politicians. If the government’s message is relayed by ‘independent’and ‘objective’ citizen’s groups, so much the better."

Do you realise that your signature block is out of date? that is the old discontinued petitions site, isnt it?

**bokkatankie** · 12-06-2012, 20:28

Originally Posted by Balleh

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Iolis,

Thank you; very interesting and powerful.

Personally, as charity has become increasingly nationalised over the years, I donate very little. Why pay twice? Especially as I have no say as to which charity my tax should be given. I have to say I would not believe the government anyway!

Of the large charities, I only contribute to the RNLI as it one of very few which does not accept any government funding and, out of sentiment, to the RBL and ABF. I am uncertain whether they get any state funding, so I may be contradicting myself!

Finally, I suggest that, by selling their souls to government, charities will shortly become yet another feature of civic life to lose the respect of the population.

Whatever the format, I agree with your sentiments. How often have we heard that Government cuts will devastate the Charity sector (read; Industry).

I do not want the government to give money to charities, it is my money (and all other tax payers), I would prefer to pay less tax and give to those I want to.

**CaptainPlume** · 12-06-2012, 21:10

Originally Posted by bokkatankie

I would prefer to pay less tax and give to those I want to.

I would pefer to pay less tax & stop funding India & Pakistan's nuclear & space programmes, the Trade Unions (via the back door of the Union Modernisation Fund); chavs white cider & all sorts of stuff.

I would be happy to pay more tax to see a fair number of economic immigrants packed off home followed by an ICBM. It would be expensive, but it would be a one-off sunk cost.

**bokkatankie** · 12-06-2012, 21:11

Originally Posted by CaptainPlume

I would pefer to pay less tax & stop funding India & Pakistan's nuclear & space programmes, the Trade Unions (via the back door of the Union Modernisation Fund); chavs white cider & all sorts of stuff.

I would be happy to pay more tax to see a fair number of economic immigrants packed off home followed by an ICBM. It would be expensive, but it would be a one-off sunk cost.

Let me know when you will be standing as an MP, you will, at least, have 2 votes.

**Iolis** · 12-06-2012, 21:21

It is interesting to speculate, in light of the explanation given in the IEA report, whether the recent 'climbdown' by the government in abandoning the proposal to reduce tax relief on charitable donations resulted from pressure imposed upon them by the commercial and financial sector whose donations to their 'astroturf' charities, ('front' charities set up and funded by the financial and commercial sector, ostensibly run by ordinary people, who exist to advance a charitable cause consistent with the financial and commercial aims of its sponsor) would have been significantly affected.

Additionally, when next you hear a British politician pray in aid of an 'independent' report as a reason for a course of action then it would be reasonable to infer that the word 'independent' is as much a chimera as the 'independent' bodies set up by the government to create the illusion of impartiality such as the 'independent' Police Complaints Commission' in which the Police investigate their own misconduct and so-called 'independent' inquiries all of which are now entirely compromised and subverted by the Inquiries Act 2005.