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Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

How much SAA training does the average civvie have then? How much training does it take to shoot a half asleep man from ten feet away?



And how many of those 'burglars' being shot dead will be teenagers sneaking in after being out later than they'd been told to be in and trying not to wake mum and dad up or someone stumbling to the toilet in the middle of the night?

Personally I'd rather have a properly funded and led police force than a large number of untrained dickheads playing Dirty Harry with some rusty piece of shit fifth hand Browning they've bought from Cash Converters.

Darwinism in Action.

As to your second point, there's very little chance of either scenario coming to pass. The police service will continue to degrade in quality, while the government continues to sell off as much of it as possible to private companies. And there is zero chance of the firearms laws being relaxed, since politicians know they will probably rank just below burglars on the list of targets.

Bad as things are, expect them to get much, much worse. Give it ten years or so and the majority of the public will depend on poorly trained, glorified security guards to protect them. These guards will be employed by private companies who only care about profit. The rich will be able to hire better trained and equipped armed guards.

The few "real" coppers left will be used to protect the elite; you won't see the armed police outside Westminster or the PM's bodyguards replaced by G4S anytime soon.

The OP is clearly a cunt. And coming out with scaremoungering, strawman arguments and trying to look hard. That is all.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

Or there'd be a lot more armed burglars and as they're the ones who are awake, alert and expecting trouble while you're the one who's just woken up and stumbled onto the landing with a lazy lob on and pillows marks on your face I know who my money would be on in a shoot out.

I'm not too sure about that. Such cases seem to generally work out in favour of the occupier in the US. I can't see it being radically different should similar conditions be introduced in the UK.

I remember reading an article a while back about a US county where it was mandatory to have a firearm in the home. They hadn't had a burglary for yonks, and the last murder occurred about thirty years previously. I believe that just the thought of being confronted by a house-owner with a gat would be a sufficient deterrent. Burglars tend to want to enjoy the fruits of their ill-gotten gains and not to risk life and limb in getting them.

MsG

Originally Posted by Trans-sane

The OP is clearly a cunt. And coming out with scaremoungering, strawman arguments and trying to look hard. That is all.

Another typical police tactic. Attack the character of the person and ignore the facts of the matter. Most floridly seen when the plod suggested Menezes was an illegal immigrant and into cocaine after murdering him. As if either had anything to do with their execution of an unarmed innocent man!

Originally Posted by Radiance

At present none thanks to the law abiding public being disarmed. If things change, then firearms handling courses would become a viable business.

In my experience people are lazy and don't want to spend money. I wouldn't place all that much faith in the majority of civilians bothering with training courses beyond 'this is the trigger, this is where the bullet comes out' unless it was made compulsory.

Originally Posted by Radiance

More than you think if it is his house and his wife has a gun too.

So two half trained, half asleep half wits stumbling round the house with guns looking for the creaking floor board. Sounds like the ideal situation for nothing bad to happen at all.

Originally Posted by Radiance

Very small percentage, and less than the homeowners who may have been raped or killed because people like you deny them the RKBA.

The US has a higher murder and rape rates than the UK despite much higher firearms ownership.

I haven't mentioned my opinion on gun ownership for fun/sport, just for 'home defence'.

Originally Posted by Radiance

Are you a police officer or in the security establishment by any chance?

No, just not retarded.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

The US has a higher murder and rape rates than the UK despite much higher firearms ownership.
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And if you actually look at the figures, the vast majority of the statistics refer to people of certain ethnicities living in shithole inner cities…
Hmmmm… rather like the UK in fact.

Originally Posted by Radiance

You must be joking. The plod I've met in social settings were arrogant, egotistical, dishonest, lazy and thought they were always right.

I wouldn't let those power tripping megalomaniacs near a Taser let alone a handgun.

Blimey. Sounds like every squaddie I've met.

Generalisation much? Or did you get nicked and have the arse.

Winsor is a lawyer for the company that advises G4S, the government's preferred bidder for the police privatisation contract.
The govt then put him in charge of destroying police terms and conditions, then put him in charge of the Inspectorate of Constabulary?!

This is blatant cronyism and corruption!

If you think anything else in the face of such disregard of an obvious conflict of interest then you're either thick or you're letting your anti police prejudice speak for you.

Your right gun ownership does prevent burglary look at the US it never happens there. Also South Africa I believe has next to no crime thanks to free available weapons for it's citizens.