ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Closet_Jibber** · 10-06-2012, 19:14

Long thread so I'll guess...

Tough shit plod. Your fed embarrassed May and shes now punishing you.

The only thing worse than Winsor getting the job would be another ACPO Poster Boy getting the job. I'd personally rather civvy's did the role but I'd also rather they actually spoke to Constables when they inspected rather than just pretend they did (Step forward Mr Winsor who nobody has confirmed they were interviewed by yet).

The reason why Winsor is so worrying is because he's hardly gonna pick himself up for having dust on top of his own locker. His should have been about trying to find savings through amalgamations, finding waste in procurement and dare I say it, reviewing pay, pension and conditions.

What it has become is a major overhaul in how we police which has been forced on our inept bosses. They have been promoted off the back of creating paper trails and doing jobs that don't need doing in order to avoid confronting a criminal. Now we have the situation where warranted officers are carrying out jobs that used to be done by civvys because despite what May tells you there is no less paperwork and no less targets. What there are is considerably less bobbies and a shit load less civvy support staff.

Contrary to what The Daily Mail would have you believe bobbies were busy before all these cuts. They weren't just chasing kids with helicopters or pointing guns at wheel chairs. They were thinly stretched but still, on the whole, bringing some quality self generated jobs to court.

Now however we've had our teams numbers increased to 8 but we now perform the role of three teams and god knows how many support staff. If I lock up for a basic theft offence I'm off the streets for the shift without doubt whereas before I may have got to go back out in the last couple of hours. Worse still when I come back in I'll be finishing the work off before I go out again. Who does Winsor/Police Head shed think are responding to 999 calls when I'm in interview with my radio off or in a secure property store itemising each exhibit I've seized? Well the answer is us, "making it work", sometimes breaching policies to make a bad systems function as they don't on paper nevermind reality because if we don't, who will? There really is nobody else in most areas now to cover until we're back out. The frontline aren't close to breaking point, they've broke.

Add to all of the above the fact that old bill are now having pay and pensions reduced and you've got a recipe for stress. I wonder how paying all those sick pensions for bobbies correctly diagnosed with stress related illnesses fits into the big money saving plan? How they'll manage the increase of sickness we're already seeing (Our area alone has seen 4 normally fit and healthy blokes have heart attacks this year)? A fitness test to make sure your fit which 95% will pass standing on their heads or a Jubilee medal to raise morale which came in the same batch of post as two bags of weed back from the lab and a Police Mutual leaflet advising us to start saving now.

Winsor, as intelligent as he may be has implemented changes to policing way beyond what any of us could ever have imagined and scarily enough I think we're only just scratching the surface.

EDIT: I've just re-read this and its appallingly written. Grammar Nazi's... Hush, I'm tired and I only had tomato soup for my dinner!

**ugly** · 11-06-2012, 08:22

Well at least you know (if youre a plod) that the new HMIC knows what the alternatives are, it would be like getting an annual review from the Grand Mufti, Come in winston, no need to sit down!

**Bernster** · 11-06-2012, 09:20

I don't know what the problem is, I mean Winsor came from the rail ways. We know how cheap, efficient and well run they are! It was obvious therefore he should take these fantastic skills in to one of the bedrocks of British society.

**Closet_Jibber** · 11-06-2012, 10:40

In all fairness something needed doing. But ironically only the useful things have been cut back. Things like coppers, cells, courts, vehicles and support staff that used to assist greatly with the shed load of bull shit paperwork the government is still expecting us to do. At least we're no longer governed by performance indicators... Honest!

The frontline has been hacked to bits and if you think you had a bad service in the past don't become a victim of crime any time soon. I've always maintained the majority of operational constables aren't bad eggs and they generally work hard. But there is only so much one person can do:

Looking at my busiest set of shifts this time last year I dealt with 42 jobs in three days. When we were discussing this last month my colleague and I had dealt with 23 in ten hours.

**Biscuits_AB** · 11-06-2012, 12:01

Originally Posted by Closet_Jibber

Looking at my busiest set of shifts this time last year I dealt with 42 jobs in three days.

That's a lot of donuts.

**Herrumph** · 11-06-2012, 12:44

Originally Posted by hogstable

What would the outrage be from Arrsers if there was a similar post for HM Armed Forces and a civvy was put in that to fill it? Just a thought.

Yeah heaven forbid that we should get senior civvies in the MoD. Imagine if we had a PUS parachuted into the top job alongside the Generals. What if there were places for Civil Service paper-pushers on the Army Board alongside service chiefs You might even get open competition for senior defence jobs or people coming in from industry to head up Defence agencies and organisations. Maybe even have senior legal people heading up military justice or some fluffy dame to head up a complaints ombudsman.

If you really wanted to take the piss, you could even have an RAF CDS!

In reality I am probably more worried that Tom Winsor is a lawyer. The legal profession do more damage to the justice system than criminals, politicians and crooked coppers put together. Why didn't they just go the whole hog and put a banker in charge?

**ugly** · 11-06-2012, 13:41

Originally Posted by Herrumph

Yeah heaven forbid that we should get senior civvies in the MoD. Imagine if we had a PUS parachuted into the top job alongside the Generals. What if there were places for Civil Service paper-pushers on the Army Board alongside service chiefs You might even get open competition for senior defence jobs or people coming in from industry to head up Defence agencies and organisations. Maybe even have senior legal people heading up military justice or some fluffy dame to head up a complaints ombudsman.

If you really wanted to take the piss, you could even have an RAF CDS!

In reality I am probably more worried that Tom Winsor is a lawyer. The legal profession do more damage to the justice system than criminals, politicians and crooked coppers put together. Why didn't they just go the whole hog and put a banker in charge?

I think you will find he has been a successful lawyer, its the crap ones that never practise, become politicians and then royally fuck up the country that we need to beware off!
if that doesnt ring any bells look up our recents pms on wiki and seee what their alleged professions or degrees were in!