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Originally Posted by Buzz

Teaching assistants, technicians, dinner ladies etc get shit pay and don't get paid out of term time.

When the teachers unions start taking an interest in improving pay and conditions for the people who actually enable a school to operate on a day to basis then they will not look like such selfish whinging shits with double standards.

How very dare you call my whinging shit of a teacher brother a whinging shit!
I'll have you know that the poor whinging shit is so badly paid, he can only afford a new build 3 bedroom house in northolt, a brand new 25k Honda and 2 holidays a year on just his wages. And yes, he claims very vociferously to be underpaid and ut must be true because he's a teacher and they would never lie or have a hugely inflated view if their worth.

Originally Posted by rabid spaniel

Just because they are wrong doesn't make teachers right. You are being typical screaming socialist and offering to cut your nose off to spite your face. No one disputes we need a public sector, just that the current version is massively overweight and over paid. CQMS hit the nail on the head: private sector make money, the public sector spend it. Have too many spenders and not enough makers and you end up in the red (in more ways than one- as you create a dependent work force whose self interest push them to vote for parties promising more of the same). Have more makers than spenders and you stay in the black- it really is that simple. The problem is the (understandable) self interest of those that stand to lose when the state stops handing out cash it has stripped from the makers.

Already debated on the previous threads. I'm not repeating myself.

Originally Posted by hogspawn

That really is bollox and the ConDems want us all to fall for it.

Teachers are NOT overpaid.

Despite their 'long holidays' they work like fuck in term time, my ex was a teacher, and despite mutual hatred now - I have to recognise the fact that she and her colleagues worked damn hard - full day of work at school then another 3-4 hours at home.

If they want to change the terms of new joining teachers then fine - the education standard and quality of candidate attracted arguments aside - but to pull the rug out from under them is wrong

Overpaid= the total capitation rate. I don't refer just to the salary, but mainly to the benefits: specifically the pension which I, as a tax payer, fund.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

How long do you reckon the private sector would last without the health, education and justice systems though?

How much cheaper would it be for the tax payer if the private sector ran the health, education and justice systems?

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Already debated on the previous threads. I'm not repeating myself.

And I'm not searching for your argument, so we'd best draw stumps on that one.

Originally Posted by rabid spaniel

Narrow minded and bigoted? Maybe: but the fruits of being married to a teacher who is harried into union membership and fights against their collective stupidity on a daily basis trying to do what is best for the education of the poor souls sent to her.

Originally Posted by rabid spaniel

CQMS hit the nail on the head: private sector make money, the public sector spend it.

Spaniel, not being funny or anything, but there are over 1200+ independent (i.e. private sector) schools in the UK; maybe your Missus might feel more effective if employed in one of those?

Having left long-standing employment with NHS and Local Authority to go to the Holy Grail of the private sector, mainly due to the very same dissatisfaction your Missus appears to be enduring, and experienced how the private sector can (and does) treat not only its employees but also those in receipt of its services, I can only reflect that, when pondering whether to leave the public sector, I wish I'd had the sense to have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by rabid spaniel

Overpaid= the total capitation rate. I don't refer just to the salary, but mainly to the benefits: specifically the pension which I, as a tax payer, fund.

Which they also pay into, a fair ld whack.

Either way my point still stands - wanna change the pension, do so for new entrants so they know what theyre getting into, dont pull the rug from those who've already signed up for it.

and either way, 'total capitation' or not, they are STILL not overpaid for what is actually a bloody hard, excessively accountable and overly restricted (in hands tied way) profession

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

How very dare you call my whinging shit of a teacher brother a whinging shit!
I'll have you know that the poor whinging shit is so badly paid, he can only afford a new build 3 bedroom house in northolt, a brand new 25k Honda and 2 holidays a year on just his wages. And yes, he claims very vociferously to be underpaid and ut must be true because he's a teacher and they would never lie or have a hugely inflated view if their worth.

WTF?

I know a fuck load of teachers and none of them can afford that, what does he teach - armed robbery?