ARmy Rumour SErvice

The people who run these two Unions may represent (in as far as they are members) 600000 teachers.

That is not the same as saying that 600000 teachers agree with them!

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

jbm, you have had your pension downgraded... how much wll you get at 55 an dhow much at 60? And if you are still in for April 2015, stand by for AFPS 15. A (I beleive) mandatory switch will be in force.

No idea because I've not looked. As far as I'm aware though the only change is the RPI/CPI swap.

I'm aware of the coming changes though, that's why I'm waiting for the sudden change in opinion from some people when they realise that those 'public sector wankers' they've been slagging off for not being happy with forced T&C changes on here includes them.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

No idea because I've not looked. As far as I'm aware though the only change is the RPI/CPI swap.

I'm aware of the coming changes though, that's why I'm waiting for the sudden change in opinion from some people when they realise that those 'public sector wankers' they've been slagging off for not being happy with forced T&C changes on here includes them.

Yes and as I've said all the way along industrial action by those that can could help the people who can't take action.

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Yes and as I've said all the way along industrial action by those that can could help the people who can't take action.

It won't change anything - THERE'S NO FUCKING MONEY.

Gormless Gordon with his 'No more boom and bust' has laid the foundations for this bloody situation.

Accept that in order to pay the irresponsible level of pensions that no longer reflect the demography of this country the government have two things they can do: raise taxes or borrow. That is the only way a government has of raising money. Borrowing is out (unless you a total retard) taxes is out (unless you a screaming socialist with no concept of the balance between wealth creators and wealth spenders (aka the private and public sectors)). That leaves cutting ones cloth to fit.

No point in having a tantrum - there is not enough wonga. End of. So pensions will have to follow the same path that the private sector has followed, down. I draw my Army pension, I am disappointed that it has shifted to CPI and cost me a small fortune in the process, but I realise there is no option. It is not a massive conspiracy to ensure Rabid Spaniel doesn't get what he deserves, it's life - get over it. Stop spending and save. Bin your fags, booze and bloody Sky subscription if your pension is so important to you and stop thinking the world owes you, because it doesn't.

Industrial action won't change anything other than the undecided amongst the wider population who are, and have been for some, having to pay more into, or realise less from their pensions. They will look at the fat public sector pigs grumping about how their trough isn't deep enough and come to the conclusion that they don't know they're fucking born.

Originally Posted by rabid spaniel

It won't change anything - THERE'S NO FUCKING MONEY.

Gormless Gordon with his 'No more boom and bust' has laid the foundations for this bloody situation.

Accept that in order to pay the irresponsible level of pensions that no longer reflect the demography of this country the government have two things they can do: raise taxes or borrow. That is the only way a government has of raising money. Borrowing is out (unless you a total retard) taxes is out (unless you a screaming socialist with no concept of the balance between wealth creators and wealth spenders (aka the private and public sectors)). That leaves cutting ones cloth to fit.

No point in having a tantrum - there is not enough wonga. End of. So pensions will have to follow the same path that the private sector has followed, down. I draw my Army pension, I am disappointed that it has shifted to CPI and cost me a small fortune in the process, but I realise there is no option. It is not a massive conspiracy to ensure Rabid Spaniel doesn't get what he deserves, it's life - get over it. Stop spending and save. Bin your fags, booze and bloody Sky subscription if your pension is so important to you and stop thinking the world owes you, because it doesn't.

Industrial action won't change anything other than the undecided amongst the wider population who are, and have been for some, having to pay more into, or realise less from their pensions. They will look at the fat public sector pigs grumping about how their trough isn't deep enough and come to the conclusion that they don't know they're fucking born.

You can believe them if you wish but I do think we have money.
The 'fat public sector pigs' are mostly terrible thieves such as Bin men, dinner ladies, Teachers, Nurses, care assistants the real scum of the earth.
It'll be the same people who have paid pension contributions for years and have now been told the 'gold plated' pensions aren't affordable, however if you are an M.P. with a much better pension it is affordable.

Part of this myth is that the public sector "pay" in for things - they don't. No one on the public payroll pays anything in at all, every penny sloshing around has already been paid in by someone else in the private sector. Public sector workers are a net drain on the economy, they absorb the wealth paid in by others. This dispute is demanding that the private sector (who at lower levels largely gave up on pensions and have none) fund the pensions of the public sector at the expense of their own.

Teaching assistants, technicians, dinner ladies etc get shit pay and don't get paid out of term time.

When the teachers unions start taking an interest in improving pay and conditions for the people who actually enable a school to operate on a day to basis then they will not look like such selfish whinging shits with double standards.

Originally Posted by CaptainPlume

Jolly good! Damage the economy some more by making parents take the day off to look after kids. Deprive temporary workers with no holiday pay, pension, sick pay, training days and all the rest of a day's money as long as you're all right jack.

Alternatively why not stike in your many weeks of holiday time. You know, the ones when you are "preparing lessons".

A splendid example of capitalism in action, I would have thought. We're often told that it's the only system that will work because people are inherently selfish and only motivated by their own self-interest, so why the surprise when people act in their own self-interest?

More to the point, why the vehement insistence that they should abandon all that and selflessly work for the benefit of their fellow man - just so that he can... er... work towards his own self-interest?