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**jimmys_best_mate** · 23-05-2012, 20:34

Will it shoot down a Trident (from a Yank or Brit sub) before it turns Moscow into an interesting glass sculpture? Because if not then what it can or can't evade is a fairly moot question because Ivan still can't fire it at Europe or North America.

Well they can but then their major cities will magically turn into glow in the dark blinis shortly afterwards.

**Mad Professor** · 24-05-2012, 04:18

Originally Posted by One_of_the_strange

If you're sad enough to keep up with such things the Russians are taking a distinctly individual approach to missile design using such things as decoys, depressed, manoeuvering trajectories and advanced manoeuvering warheads. They are, by default, ahead of the West as we are still running on Cold War era kit like Trident. The question is just how much is bluff and how much is borne out in the actual performance. That sort of stuff doesn't appear in open source, though,

As the OP implied, little is known of the missile in question so "The Bear" make it public so we can all have a proper-gander.

**fozzy** · 24-05-2012, 08:12

Liquid fuelled is intreaguing. They had big problems back in the day developing reliable solid fuelled ICBMs and resorted to some evil combinations of fuel/oxidisers, that made many of their missiles more dangerous to its launch crew, then any adversary.

**eodmatt** · 24-05-2012, 08:15

Originally Posted by jarrod248

I told you all to buy tinned food, whose laughing now.

Tinned dog food manufacturers?

**tiny_lewis** · 24-05-2012, 08:31

Originally Posted by One_of_the_strange

If you're sad enough to keep up with such things the Russians are taking a distinctly individual approach to missile design using such things as decoys, depressed, manoeuvering trajectories and advanced manoeuvering warheads. They are, by default, ahead of the West as we are still running on Cold War era kit like Trident. The question is just how much is bluff and how much is borne out in the actual performance. That sort of stuff doesn't appear in open source, though,

Pulling the Interfax quote re "warheads that can change course to avoid being shot down", and "advanced manoeuvring warheads", is hardly new technology. It's been around since the early 1970's, as the MARV concept.

'Everyone' knows MIRV - Multiple (or Multi-Warhead) Independently-targeted Re-entry Vehicle, whereby the bus altered course and ejected warheads acccording to a target list. Lesser known as MARV - Manoeuvreable Alternative target Re-entry Vehicle, in which each warhead was capable of interdiction avoidance, and select an alternative target from a list. Avoidance and target re-selection where limited by fuel and operational height.

In the 1970's both US and USSR were upgrading MRV ICBMS to MIRV and MARV. Poseidon was MIRV, Trident was MIRV (with a planned MARV capabillity). Pershing II was MARV.

MARV was seen as a step backwards in terms of arms-control, and iirc there was a heavy push to ban MARV under the various limitation talks.

**Biscuits_Brown** · 25-05-2012, 14:11

Originally Posted by One_of_the_strange

If you're sad enough to keep up with such things the Russians are taking a distinctly individual approach to missile design using such things as decoys, depressed, manoeuvering trajectories and advanced manoeuvering warheads. They are, by default, ahead of the West as we are still running on Cold War era kit like Trident. The question is just how much is bluff and how much is borne out in the actual performance. That sort of stuff doesn't appear in open source, though,

The degree of the tech gap there, tech chasm actually, leads me to believe that the Seps have something up their sleeves that they've managed to keep very quiet indeed.

**cernunnos** · 25-05-2012, 14:40

Would this fifth generation missile capable of penetrating deep into NATO territory without being detected perchance resemble a battered Ford Transit van full of Rumanian pick pockets & shoplifters?

**longlivethequeen** · 25-05-2012, 14:51

Does this mean we can buy the harriers back?

**alib** · 26-05-2012, 14:58

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

Will it shoot down a Trident (from a Yank or Brit sub) before it turns Moscow into an interesting glass sculpture? Because if not then what it can or can't evade is a fairly moot question because Ivan still can't fire it at Europe or North America.

Well they can but then their major cities will magically turn into glow in the dark blinis shortly afterwards.

I think the fact that Russians seem to own most of the nicer parts of London may actually be a bigger deterrent to them starting a nuclear ruck with Dave.