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Originally Posted by CanteenCowboy

No I am not a Rangers Fan, far from it, however unlike you I do not believe that Scotland could make it on it's own, ESPECIALLY in the current economic climate. I am sure that the EU would welcome another small nation in with open arms, just for it to fail miserably just like Greece, where is all the revenue going to come from to pay for Salmond's lovely little land? I want to know because so far he has not given the public any idea of what would happen if Scotland was to vote for independance, all the nationalists have said is "The oil will pay for it all." What fucking oil, that has a finite lifespan, where is the alternative manufacturing base, where is the greatly needed investment into alternative energy supplies, what is the plan for Scotland and most importantly WHERE'S THE FUCKING MONEY COMING FROM???

However I am sure that with your excellent grasp of international money markets and finance you will be able to work it all out for Salmond, because I have seen NO EVIDENCE that he has even thought about it. He is banking on enough fools being blinded by Tartan fervour and voting ourselves into oblivion, just to pamper his own little ego.

Plus the fact that a significant (and disproportionate) percentage of revenue raised by income tax would be lost after independence when several Central Government functions would be relocated back south of the border. If you Jocks decide to go independent there is no mileage in Westminster keeping Inland Revenue or army HR and reccords in a foreign nation and paying for the priviledge. You'd have to fund your own NHS, education, bin men etc. Basically anyone working in the public sector north of the border would be in danger of loosing their job with the added seasoning that in doing so they would no longer be providing revenue to the new government in the form of income tax or NI.

Originally Posted by twentyfirstoffoot

Could you explain where the Troopships and Cargo vessels are then?

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On a serious note - there's enough amphibious lift in the RN, RFA and STUFT to carry the size of expeditionary force that we can put together these days.

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Originally Posted by gunfighter

Ah sarcasm .....the lowest form of wit ...... First they riducle you; then they fight you; then you win !! (Ghandi)

I speak only for my self and those who like me have had enough of London rule. If that doesn't include you then that s fine by me.

glad to hear it. i just dont like the way the debate on independance has become so polarised.

i had someone getting worked up and throwing "aw, so you're a bloody nationalist!?" at me this wk because i said we should scrap trident, because clearly you cant want one without the other.

The RN can no longer maintain a patrol off the Horn of Africa.

All troop movement and heavy lift is done by civilian companies with a fraction being moved by RN RAF.

I am sorry but the transportation and support of an expeditionary 'force' any larger than taking an Infantry Bn based BG on an unopposed long week-end show of force in well beyond the capability of all three sevices combined.

Originally Posted by CanteenCowboy

Hmm, 26 March 2006 if you please.

Sorry...I have 1994 on the brain and slipped in a 4, not a 6. I gratefully stand corrected.

Originally Posted by twentyfirstoffoot

The RN can no longer maintain a patrol off the Horn of Africa.

All troop movement and heavy lift is done by civilian companies with a fraction being moved by RN RAF.

I am sorry but the transportation and support of an expeditionary 'force' any larger than taking an Infantry Bn based BG on an unopposed long week-end show of force in well beyond the capability of all three sevices combined.

The only time the RN really carries troops in anything other than the amphbious ships is generally without their weapons and with their feet wet from wading. We've always use commercial shipping to carry men and materiel and it's no different now. the RN provides the protection and ensures freedom of passage.

To put it into green terms, the RN are the cavalry, swanning about on the edge of the battle. They keep the enemy from interfering with the movement of the plodding infantry whilst at the same time providing some dash, swagger and panache to the battlefield. They may not decide the issue, but they create the environment that allows others to.

Originally Posted by Bouillabaisse

The only time the RN really carries troops in anything other than the amphbious ships is generally without their weapons and with their feet wet from wading. We've always use commercial shipping to carry men and materiel and it's no different now. the RN provides the protection and ensures freedom of passage.

To put it into green terms, the RN are the cavalry, swanning about on the edge of the battle. They keep the enemy from interfering with the movement of the plodding infantry whilst at the same time providing some dash, swagger and panache to the battlefield. They may not decide the issue, but they create the environment that allows others to.

Which is a huge leap from your original statement

Originally Posted by Bouillabaisse

the navy takes the army where it needs to be, ensures its supplied when its there and takes it away again afterwards,