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**jimmys_best_mate** · 12-05-2012, 08:48

Originally Posted by Sicknote

Muslims don't do it to other Muslims, only to non-Muslims.

Read the Koran and Hadith and you will see why it happens.

It'd be far quicker to see how many 13 year old Muslim girls are hanging round taxi offices and kebab shops at 0100 without their parents knowing where they are and work out from there why they're not the ones getting fingered.

**Markintime** · 12-05-2012, 09:43

Originally Posted by Sicknote

Again you're confusing acts by lone paedophiles with what we are talking about in this thread. Namely Rochdale style grooming.

Muslims don't do it to other Muslims, only to non-Muslims.

Read the Koran and Hadith and you will see why it happens.

Man sentenced to death for raping daughter in Pakistan - Times Of India

Stop reading the BNP and EDL literature and spouting bollocks on here.

You think there's no rape in Muslim countries?

**WolvoExPunk** · 12-05-2012, 10:24

Originally Posted by Markintime

This has nothing whatsoever to do with their religion. If this was religious it would be stylised and ritualistic and it would be widespread in Pakistan itself or elsewhere. The men who did it would be the most devout of Muslims not failed and lapsed Muslims who only pulled on the cloak of Islam when it suited their purpose.

Each year thousands of Western paedophiles go to Thailand and Vietnam to procure child sex, they are predominantly Christian but no-one says it is due to being Christian nor do they get called racist because they are targeting those from outside their community. They go there because they know they can find child victims relatively easily and they are unlikely to get caught. In other words they go where they can find easy victims and that is what these young Pakistani men are doing. They find it easy to find victims and, up until now, it's been relatively easy to get away with it.

The fact there are gangs of them I put down to the fact that they have a more socialised infrastructure than many Western kids, they stick together and tend to have large extended families. I don't believe that there are only Pakistani paedophile gangs on street grooming but I do believe they will be younger men. Fat, balding, fifty year old men don't tend to be successful face to face for the first time.

I once saw a documentary about young homeless boys and girls who went to London to live rough. Most of them never made it off the station before some kind man was offering them money, cigarettes and a place to stay. The wise ones told them to shove it but after a few weeks rough they weren't quite so proud. Most of the men doing the picking up were white and English. Preying on children is in no person's religion and it's not confined to any one religion.

The Johnny Go Home scenario, eh. Yes, that's been going on, and not just in London, since way back. I wouldn't be surprised if the kids are molested by lone perverts, or the pervert has pals he can pass the victims around to. The other problem of British and other western nonces going to the Far East and other Third World countries to pay to **** kids can be dealt with by public spirited local men and youths equipping themselves suitably and performing the necessary attitude adjustment on the perverts, the chicken pimps and even the parents who let this filth go on.

Anyway, here is a song called Johnny Go Home about that shit going on, by a band I like called the 4-Skins.
The 4-Skins - Johnny Go Home - YouTube

**Boumer** · 12-05-2012, 10:44

Originally Posted by Sicknote

Again you're confusing acts by lone paedophiles with what we are talking about in this thread. Namely Rochdale style grooming.

Muslims don't do it to other Muslims, only to non-Muslims.

Read the Koran and Hadith and you will see why it happens.

Can I just clarify, please?

Who's side are you on?

The victims?

Or is this just another excuse to shoe-horn your dislike of Muslims and Islam into a passing horrendous example of crime?

As that would be pretty poor form really, wouldn't it?

And I mean what must the outside world think of people worming their way into positions of trust to abuse the most vulnerable, perhaps picking on those disadvantaged and using their own comfortable position to enable and facilitate offending by others?

Wait a minute! Something like this perhaps. Committed by two British nationals.

Two British nationals have this week been sentenced following separate investigations involving the UK’s national centre for protecting children – the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre - working in partnership with their Cambodian counterparts.

Matthew Harland, 38, will spend seven years in prison after CEOP worked with the Cambodian National Police (CNP) to secure his conviction.

Meanwhile Nick Griffin, 53, has today been convicted to 2 years in prison (one year suspended) for offences against children. Nick Griffin ran orphanages in Siem Reap.
Harland was arrested by Hampshire Police in December 2005 on suspicion of possessing (of) child abuse images. He subsequently skipped bail and left the UK.
In May 2010, CEOP’s received intelligence from renowned non-governmental organisation APLE (Action Pour Les Enfants), which works with CEOP through its International Child Protection Network (ICPN). This intelligence suggested that Harland had resurfaced in Cambodia amid concerns that he had offended against two young girls.

Harland was arrested on 20th May and the CNP requested CEOP’s assistance to support them in their investigation. CEOP subsequently deployed officers to Cambodia.

Griffin, from Wales, ran a number of orphanages in the tourist hotspot of Siem Reap. He left Britain in 2006 and set up the Cambodia Orphan Fund one year later. He was arrested in October 2010 following joint investigations between CEOP, the Cambodian authorities and APLE.

Child Exploitation & Online Protection Centre - internet safety - CEOP

I could give you more examples like that one picked rather at random, but I suspect (sadly) that would be a waste of time.

What governs them is not their religion, but simply their drive consisting of (a) motivation, (b) internal inhibitors, (c) external inhibitors, and (d) resistance (Finkelhor, "Child Sexual Abuse:New Theory and Research" 1984 still used today. Excellent introduction to predatory child sex abuser psychology).

Having dealt with "Muslim on Muslim" child abuse, domestic violence and rape, I can say your broad sweeping assertion is wrong.

(Waiting for the reply "OK, they mainly do it to non-Muslims" and I still refer you to Finkelhor to start your reading. Or you could prove me utterly wrong and say something like 'perhaps it is down to an individual rather than a religious system', which case I'd say "Well done, spoken like a gentleman").

**tuffy52** · 12-05-2012, 10:50

Another 'Suspected Paedophile Ring' found in Rochdale,,,Men arrested,,,,,

Exclusive: Men arrested as police launch new child sex probe in Rochdale | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

**WolvoExPunk** · 12-05-2012, 11:06

Meanwhile Nick Griffin, 53, has today been convicted to 2 years in prison (one year suspended) for offences against children. Nick Griffin ran orphanages in Siem Reap.
Harland was arrested by Hampshire Police in December 2005 on suspicion of possessing (of) child abuse images. He subsequently skipped bail and left the UK.
In May 2010, CEOP’s received intelligence from renowned non-governmental organisation APLE (Action Pour Les Enfants), which works with CEOP through its International Child Protection Network (ICPN). This intelligence suggested that Harland had resurfaced in Cambodia amid concerns that he had offended against two young girls.

Griffin, from Wales, ran a number of orphanages in the tourist hotspot of Siem Reap. He left Britain in 2006 and set up the Cambodia Orphan Fund one year later. He was arrested in October 2010 following joint investigations between CEOP, the Cambodian authorities and APLE.

****ing Hell! Has Nick Griffin been done for being a nonce? Do you think the BNP will chuck him out like what Labour/tory/Lib dums dont do to their nonces?

**Boumer** · 12-05-2012, 11:07

Originally Posted by tuffy52

Another 'Suspected Paedophile Ring' found in Rochdale,,,Men arrested,,,,,

Exclusive: Men arrested as police launch new child sex probe in Rochdale | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Innocent until proven guilty, before we loose our persepctive.

Not saying you would, mate. There are perhaps some who might neet a reminder though.

**Markintime** · 12-05-2012, 11:08

Originally Posted by WolvoExPunk

Meanwhile Nick Griffin, 53, has today been convicted to 2 years in prison (one year suspended) for offences against children. Nick Griffin ran orphanages in Siem Reap.
Harland was arrested by Hampshire Police in December 2005 on suspicion of possessing (of) child abuse images. He subsequently skipped bail and left the UK.
In May 2010, CEOP’s received intelligence from renowned non-governmental organisation APLE (Action Pour Les Enfants), which works with CEOP through its International Child Protection Network (ICPN). This intelligence suggested that Harland had resurfaced in Cambodia amid concerns that he had offended against two young girls.

Griffin, from Wales, ran a number of orphanages in the tourist hotspot of Siem Reap. He left Britain in 2006 and set up the Cambodia Orphan Fund one year later. He was arrested in October 2010 following joint investigations between CEOP, the Cambodian authorities and APLE.

****ing Hell! Has Nick Griffin been done for being a nonce? Do you think the BNP will chuck him out like what Labour/tory/Lib dums dont do to their nonces?

They'd have to dump him for acting in a Muslim way!

**Boumer** · 12-05-2012, 11:09

Originally Posted by WolvoExPunk

****ing Hell! Has Nick Griffin been done for being a nonce? Do you think the BNP will chuck him out like what Labour/tory/Lib dums dont do to their nonces?

NO NO NO!

Totally different one I believe.

I perhaps should have put that notice in the original post, my apologies for any error.

(before ARRSE gets sued or something)

**Chef** · 12-05-2012, 12:44

I listened to Question time last night, the Rochdale trial came up, and the reply seems to have been codified into;

a) I totally condemn these men, their crime was disgusting and should be punished.
b) This sort of crime knows no boundaries of race or religion.
c) The victims were badly let down by the authorities.
d) We should not let the criminal's ethnic/religious background cloud our views on the crimes.

All well and good, the point b) could be quickly substantiated by, as Iron Duke did with one example at the beginning of this thread, giving statistics of the number of rings broken up by police by age, sex (predominately male) and ethnic/religious background. I feel pretty confident that these facts are available. However the absence of these bits of info in the replies makes me wonder if they might undermine the rest of the reply. I honestly don't know. Certainly it seems that the majority of lone pedos are white, males, as one would expect in a country of mainly white make up, but are the 'rings' similarly representative?

The cultural aspect is another side altogether, a workmate of mine was concerned that her son, a black lad, was falling into bad company after leaving primary school, the 'black culture' at secondary school viewed academic achievement with scorn. His mother was worried that he was changing in order to conform. She is a fairly religious married mother, both parents working, with a daughter, younger, and found it hard to keep him within bounds. If it went horribly wrong would the press focus on those facts, or 'another black man goes on the rampage'?

It is interesting that the most outspoken critics have tended to be muslims themselves.

A seperate anecdote to illustrate that; a muslim minicab driver refused to take a couple to a restaurant as they had a bottle of wine. The cab firm apologised and the driver was sacked by acclaim of the other muslim drivers. The owner, a muslim, pointed out that, that was his company's job. No race/religion card was played. Would that have happened if the owner was white?

Oh Supermatelot, remember the pissed girls who gave a drunken kicking to a white girl, they were out late and used their muslim religion as an excuse, as they weren't used to alcohol.

Sooner or later the issue will have to be addressed, the longer its left the harder it will be.