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Originally Posted by Boumer

That we have lost the moral fibre to do our duty for anything other than money?

That discussion is another big can of worms!

Society these days glorifies wealth, its trappings, designer clothes (for women or MI6 agents), posh pads and expensive cars. The cultural pressure these days is to turn money into a god.

Humans are wired to worship something - money, music/film stars, power, etc.

The question is whether there is anything out there that is worth worshipping, that won't turn us into monsters.

Originally Posted by Boumer

Where exactly does it say "Some neighbourhoods are already having to hire private security firms to do the policing for them, in some cases with the co-operation of the police"

So do you mean that privatised militias are being formed?
Or do you mean that the local constabulary is trying to privatise it's services?

Because, and I may have missed it so please point it out if I have, I didn't see "Some neighbourhoods are already having to hire private security firms to do the policing for them, in some cases with the co-operation of the police" in that link.

Sorry it was not clear in that link as it was a comment on 4/3/12 in response to news on 3/3/12.

Here you go:
BBC News - Police invite security firms to bid for roles

Private security firms could investigate some crimes and patrol neighbourhoods under plans being drawn up for police in England and Wales.
...
In a statement, the Home Office said of the plans: "Private companies will not be able to arrest suspects, and they will not be solely responsible for investigating crime."

The contract has a potential value of £1.5bn over seven years but could rise to £3.5bn, depending on how many other forces signed up, our correspondent adds.

Also, see here:
http://www.thisistotalessex.co.uk/Ra...ail/story.html

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Sorry it was not clear in that link as it was a comment on 4/3/12 in response to news on 3/3/12.

Here you go:
BBC News - Police invite security firms to bid for roles

Thank you.

Do you know who is on the board of G4S? Have a guess.

FFS..they are all socialist to one degree or another...what's new??

Vive le Hollandaise

Originally Posted by samain11

FFS..they are all socialist to one degree or another...what's new??

You say it like it's a bad thing

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

I believe everything in a country can be privatised except the armed forces and police services related to serious organised crime.

I may be a filthy STAB, but I paid attention.

In my humble opinion the opinion you expressed above is based on utter selfishness arising from the belief that there is no such thing as society, there are individuals and their families.

The Army’s Values and Standards are not abstract concepts whose origins lie solely in the demands of battle. Values are the moral
principles - the intangible character and spirit - that should guide and develop us into the sort of people we should be; whereas Standards are the authoritative yardsticks that define how we behave and on which we judge and measure that behaviour. They reflect, and are consistent with, the moral virtues and ethical principles that underpin any decent society . It is important that they are explained within that wider context, for it is vital that soldiers understand these Values and Standards and are able to apply them in today’s complex operations.

To that end, the articulation of these Values and Standards needs to be accompanied by a continuous and appropriate example; by all
commanders, junior and senior alike. Our Values and Standards apply at all times: whether on operations, in barracks, in our homes or off duty.

http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/gen...itish_army.pdf

Now I do not want a re-hash of the reasons why you did not go into the Army, but I suggest you click on the above link and read that document for a quick introduction or a refresher to the values and standards of the British Army.

Regards the privatisation of policing, I thought a private company was already responsible for the vast majority of policing policy and practice in this country already - ACPO.

Further than that - we've already got hundreds of police constables being employed by private companies, without the world ending.

Mersey Tunnels police, Ports police, York Minister police, Cambridge university police

So, why not have local area's employ and swear in constables themselves - why should the home office have a monopoly on policing issues?