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**alib** · 07-05-2012, 08:17

Originally Posted by dunstaggin

The socialists promised to fight the bankers austerity measures. But they will do like our Labour party, and roll over for them, make no mistake.
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Hollande wil do all he can to save the French banks, he has no choice, they have dug themselves a deep hole that will take down the rest of the economy if he does not. Sarko has basically been sitting on his hands while blindly following an all at sea Merkel. The question is how does he avoid a recession that'll further deepen France's sovereign debt at the same time?

One size fit all EU wide austerity wasn't ever a solution to those problems, it was largely about delusional German politics not real world economics, it's an economically perverse strategy that's retarding growth everywhere it is applied. Examples of indebted nations cutting their way to stability are damn few and they were all based on strong export growth, without that austerity is a recipe for permanent penury.

**bakerlite** · 07-05-2012, 08:47

Newly elected president Francois Hollande waves to the crows flanked by his partner Valerie Trierweiler

"Crows", Carrion feeders. Fairly apt given the current situation.

B

France elections 2012: François Hollande victory sets EU on course for turmoil - Telegraph

**Boumer** · 07-05-2012, 08:52

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

As Mrs. Thatcher said:
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend."

But she spent everyone else's money in a different way.

She privatised what should have been public.

So now essentials services are still crap, and they are making money for an elite.

**IndependentBoffin** · 07-05-2012, 09:00

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Yup and she's still looking for Dennis. Now about spending other people's money, where is Mr.Cameron spending our money?

All governments of course spend other people's money. The left/Socialists just take it beyond the pale with high taxes, useless laws and jobs that serve no purpose (e.g. PCSOs/Blunkett's Bobbies)

The last Labour government not only spent the money of our children with their profligate spending, but also squandered the legacy of our country by the rock bottom sale of 60% of our nation's gold reserves.
Sale of UK gold reserves, 1999-2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem with big government is that if you end up with a muppet in power, the scale of devastation left behind is quite widespread.

**IndependentBoffin** · 07-05-2012, 09:07

Originally Posted by Boumer

But she spent everyone else's money in a different way.

She privatised what should have been public.

So now essentials services are still crap, and they are making money for an elite.

I believe everything in a country can be privatised except the armed forces and police services related to serious organised crime.

**jimmys_best_mate** · 07-05-2012, 09:10

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

I believe everything in a country can be privatised except the armed forces and police services related to serious organised crime.

Then you're an idiot.

**Boumer** · 07-05-2012, 09:19

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

All governments of course spend other people's money. The left/Socialists just take it beyond the pale with high taxes, useless laws and jobs that serve no purpose (e.g. PCSOs/Blunkett's Bobbies)

The last Labour government not only spent the money of our children with their profligate spending, but also squandered the legacy of our country by the rock bottom sale of 60% of our nation's gold reserves.
Sale of UK gold reserves, 1999-2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem with big government is that if you end up with a muppet in power, the scale of devastation left behind is quite widespread.

Beyond the pale?

Thatcher took basic utilities and rather than the efficient provision of it being the duty of the government of the day, abdicted the responsibility of its provision to the public sector.

The New Labour (more conservative inspired authoritarian centre-left) didn't challenge it, and carried on passing laws for some reason known best to themselves.

We now have a pack of jokers who are busy preparing to hand law enforcement over to KBR?! And they are also authoritarian and useless. Just take the ban on Pirate Bay. It will not work. Likewise their upcomign Online Safety Bill, that will not work. Children will run rings around ministers.

So whilst we can have a corporate jamboree down in East London, protected by an everly increasinly armed police (put beyond effective scrutiny) your local hospital cannot get you a bed and competes in a daft unworkable internal market, your schools are following an equal bizzare policy.

But that's OK as I rather suspect our "governing class" don't use public services, unless compelled to for a publicity shot (backed up by private augmentation services).

The problem with big government is that if you end up with a muppet in power, the scale of devastation left behind is quite widespread.

And that is not a threat restricted to the left. The problem is when you raise the spectre of "big government" you end up abandoning responsibility for "freedom"; the marvellous equality of the law which forbids both rich and poor to sleep under bridges and steal bread.

I could do with efficient and professional government for a start.

**Boumer** · 07-05-2012, 09:20

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

I believe everything in a country can be privatised except the armed forces and police services related to serious organised crime.

I didn't have the benefit of that whilst typing post #47

**labrat** · 07-05-2012, 09:25

Originally Posted by Boumer

So now essentials services are still crap, and they are making money for an elite.

<switches light on> Yep, electric's working
<switches central heating on> Yep, gas is working
<looks in garden> Yep, bin lid still closes
<runs tap> Yep, waters on
<types reply on computer> Yep, broadband is working

Yep, them essential services are fucked since they got privatised!

**ugly** · 07-05-2012, 09:32

yes everything can be privatised but should it? Some things have fared better run under a common plan if not centrally controlled. Locally run interests such as our own reservoir have always been a success, even now it is full yet we have a drought order thanks to South east Water who are only responsible for our drains here. Before the local water company was privatised we didnt have a drought order, not even in 1976 and that was much worse than now. Locally run our water supply was better managed. Our trains however were better under BR here, shorter journey times and actually turned a profit despite passenger numbers being lower.
Yes I want to pick and choose as do a lot of folk and if that doesnt fit with political ideologies then tough fucking tits. As for Network Rail that is ann organisation that makes Railtrack look caring and responsible. Muppets!