- 07-05-2012, 13:56 #91
- 07-05-2012, 13:58 #92"As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
- 07-05-2012, 14:00 #93
"I'd rather be a tired old Has been, than a tired old Never Has Been!!"
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- 07-05-2012, 14:05 #94
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- 07-05-2012, 14:07 #95
I wonder how long it takes until Bruni fucks off Sarkozy and/or starts dabbling in politics?
- 07-05-2012, 14:08 #96
And that is what you get from an ideology such as this;
I believe everything in a country can be privatised except the armed forces and police services related to serious organised crime.
(Quick ps, what about trivial crime? We back the hue and cry?)
Thatcher's thinking sprang from the neo-liberalism of people like Hayeck, who believed essentially the state's social responsibilty was the enforcement of private contract, all else was "The Road to Serfdom" (an interesting read). Ultimately it leads to an anarcho-capitalism, where there is no government; but the invisible hand of the market (as Adam Smith puts it) would guide all.
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
It is our duty to look first after ourselves and their our neighbour
The charitiable sector is therefore the replacement for the state. Sound familar? And I don't just mean to George W's "compassionate conservatism" (compassionate unless you're one of the 152 execution warrants the he signed, critics perhaps draw attention to convictions after lack of due process due to underfunded public defenders, seperate issue perhaps)
Under the government's Big Society plans, ministers envisage charities and voluntary groups taking of providing alternatives to state-run services or, in some cases, taking over their running.
And so for that reason, Independent Boffin, when you state;
I believe everything in a country can be privatised except the armed forces and police services related to serious organised crime
In my humble opinion the opinion you expressed above is based on utter selfishness arising from the belief that there is no such thing as society, there are individuals and their families.
Do you follow the thread of the ideology that you have adopted?
I do not draw a judgement until the end; but do you follow the thread of the ideology?
We may well profoundly disagree; but do you follow the ideological thread?
On a seperate issue
What does that have to do with the price of fish?
They speak of a diametrical opposite the ideological well-spring that you kicked off with.
Hence I point them out. The values and standards of the British Army stand apart from the selfish nature of modern British society created, in part at least, by Conservative and "Labour" administrations in thrall to neo-liberal economist economic thinking. It is not just economic thinking but if makes profound ethical judgements along the way about what it is to be human and the responsibilities and duties inherent in the human condition.
Apologies to the French to stamping my little feet up and down during their election thread.
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- 07-05-2012, 14:10 #97"As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
- 07-05-2012, 14:16 #98
Not much socialism involved in Ireland though and it was thin on the ground in the UK if you scratch at New Labor's spin happy record. What Biffo-Brown shared was more unhinged "no more boom to bust" neo-liberalism, a touching faith in the probity of high finance and crazily heavily indebted populations obsessed with making easy money in the property market. Let's not forget how popular this "get rich while sitting on your lazy arse" model was with even the Tory chattering classes.
On the other hand Ireland in the past couple of decades has converted itself from a backward agrarian country into a vigorous high productivity exporter of high tech products, this is a lasting and remarkable achievement that I'd compare to Germany's US assisted recovery from WWII. In contrast the UK despite a windfall of hydrocarbons let its research base shrivel, its industry rot, failed to exploit opportunity in europe's markets, and doubled down riskily on The City.
Maggie disgruntled by an aging social contract, tiffs with organized labor may have started that trend off and to be fair to her it didn't look so daft then but it was Brown who ran hardest with it and that's the most systemically dangerous part of his legacy. Ireland's bloated banks became wards of state after the Lehman shockwave but are at least no longer a ticking bomb, just a crater we will be filling in for a while, at least that's what we hope.
And then there's the interlocked fetters of a decade of over optimistic finance in europe, all those big Euro banks punting out multiples of GDP creating risks the Fed would never tolerate. Not just to the EU periphery but to the developing world, 60% of world banking I read somewhere. That's what the ECB just pumped full of money and Hollande has to try and prop up.That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!
- 07-05-2012, 14:23 #99
- 07-05-2012, 14:27 #100
[url=http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_796265.html]Merkel says will welcome Hollande 'with open arms'[/url.
1940 all over again!
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