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Originally Posted by Provost

What the **** is it with Luton?

It's this..Lorraine Chase,,'Luton Airport'.Say no more..

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Well it is a bit different, isn't it?

In a population of people you may have a few thieves, rapists and murderers. But ask the majority to condemn their deeds at any time and they will.

So...in a population of Muslims you may have a few extremists. What happens when we ask the majority to condemn the deeds of their extreme factions and issue statements saying that suicide bombers are not martyrs but murderers?



What is your point?



What does that have to do with the price of fish?

There is no collective punishment here. At this stage we are just asking the majority of Muslims to condemn and speak out against the extreme minority within them.



Please stop with the straw men - that's completely different. Zawahiri proceeded to use this line of reasoning to justify attacking Jewish civilians.

For now all I am proposing is that our leadership demand the aforementioned statements from Muslims of all backgrounds. What measures are necessary next, we shall consider when we arrive at that bridge.

At no stage, even the most extreme, am I proposing violence against Muslims. Jesus said on the Sermon on the Mount:
Matthew 5:




I will say it plainly now, so that you stop misunderstanding my motives:
1) I hate the sin but love the sinner
2) Muslims are our neighbours and I endeavour to love even those who have killed us. A very hard thing to do, loving your enemy.

Thank you for clarifying you motives.

For now all I am proposing is that our leadership demand the aforementioned statements from Muslims of all backgrounds. What measures are necessary next, we shall consider when we arrive at that bridge.

Doubtless I am errecting another straw man, but have you ever read about the McCarthy hearings into Communism in the 1950s. I mean, are we supposed to get Community leaders up and ask them to hold the Koran up and declare "In the name of Allah the most merciful the most compassionate, I say these things and they are true; I denounce terrorism?"

Is that what you want?

I mean, funny we didn't require that of Irish Catholics? (if we did, I missed that meeting)

But there's a page of links here it would seem for Muslims who have declared against terrorism.

Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks

This is a bit heavy going, but if you're into Islamic jurisprudence it's a good read.

Mardin Conference

Basically, trying to undo the fatwas which Salafist cling to as justification for their violence. And condemning violence.

i suppose the Ahmadiyya muslim group constantly campaigning against extremism and terrorism don't count. They had a talk in Parliament about that very issue, and a wonderful talk by the incredibly brave daughter of the murdered Pakistani man;

Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab province, was shot dead by one of his own police bodyguards in Islamabad.
He had recently campaigned for the release of a Christian woman facing the death penalty under the country's strict blasphemy laws

BBC News - Pakistan politician 'shot dead by his own bodyguard'

Ahmadiyyas are viewed as a sect by many others, due to their beliefs, it is fair to say. But they say they are Muslims and they campaign stridently against violence and against extremism and for tolerance of all faiths and none.

But I saw that young lady call for an end to violence. That count?

I have found the Ahmadiyyas perfectly hospitable, though I am not of either their Faith or Islam (in fact, they never asked me when we were chatting).

Please stop with the straw men - that's completely different. Zawahiri proceeded to use this line of reasoning to justify attacking Jewish civilians.

I paraphrased Zawahiri precisely to demonstrate that when their are no innocents, what follows. Yes, you are quite right he gave not only a religious justification for killing women and children, he stated their was a religious duty to kill children.

On the sepate point, I love it when people start latching on to one or two extreme revisionist Salafist concepts and then extrapolating them out to the wider religion.

Bit like me taking the Christian Identity movement in the US, and their adoption of the phineas priesthood concept to justify killing jews, race-mixers, federal officers and robbing banks. I then require individual or groups to denounce terrorism.

You know what really upsets me is that he good will and shock I saw with my eyes after 7/7 by all races, faiths and genders is is real risk of being pissed up the wall (if it hasn't been already).

Originally Posted by Boumer

I mean, funny we didn't require that of Irish Catholics? (if we did, I missed that meeting).

Far easier to beat them up & fit them up

Originally Posted by CaptainPlume

Far easier to beat them up & fit them up

Trouble maker.

At least The Pogues got a good song out of it.

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

My money is on middle aged, middle class Christian fundamentalist men from the local Bible studies class, but I may be wrong.

You mean pakistanians?

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

You mean pakistanians?

Pastafarians mate, trickey lot who touch his noodly appendage.

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

History, you're not very good at it, are you?






I'm sure if you try not very hard you will find examples for Sikhs, Hindues and Buddists killing British assorted.

"Killing" is in present tense.

Originally Posted by Boumer

That is why I seperate the two.

I look forward to the defence submission that having been named on a leading social media site that it is not possible to get a fair trial.

And in the atmosphere that we live in ,do you not agree that naming people who have not been charged with any offence yet, renders them liable to assault and harrasment.

Do you see my point?

We live in a country where mobs attack paediatricians because they don't know the difference between that and a paedophile

BBC News | WALES | Paediatrician attacks 'ignorant' vandals

Here's a brief guide:

The risk of media identification of crime suspects

But if you fancy just cracking on, just do so.

OK fine, in the interest of the men getting a fair trial - I will say no more about the names of the men.